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Old 08-13-2011, 07:50 PM   #1
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I was reading a thread about how danzo was supposedly = to pain in terms of strength. to me its ridiculous but I guess some people think otherwise.

Location - VOTE
Distance - 250 feet
Knowledge - pain knows danzo is hokage, danzo knows pain is the leader of aktasuki.

Danzo starts with his arm unwrapped and can use Kotoamatsukami once during the fight. Pain starts with all six paths out and fully functional.

Note: if the six paths die then nagato will show himself and come out of hiding.

Personally I think danzo could take out a few paths but in the end pain would win mid diff

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Old 08-13-2011, 07:56 PM   #2
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danzo takes control of one body while pain either massively ST CT or Gedo mazo danzo can put up a good fight but he only has kotoamatsukami and izanagi are his only chances ninjutsu can be absorbed and taijutsu is just soul rip pain can still use summons.

Pain Mid diff

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Pain wins with low - moderate difficulty. Danzo's most powerful technique, Koto-Amatsu-Kami, is utterly useless against Pain. He cannot actually control the individual Paths as they are dead and controlled by Nagato via chakra.

Izanagi will only delay the inevitable. Danzo's re-spawn attacks can be dodged, especially with linked vision; Sasuke, who just fought the Raikage, Mizukage, and Tsuchikage, and used Susano'o (which causes pain on a cellular level) was able to evade Danzo's attacks. Almost all of his attacks are Fuuton, so this is where Preta Path and Deva Path will be the most important. The Paralysis Seal will be of little use as well, considering a large release of chakra will break it, and the Konoha ANBU commented on Deva Path's powerful chakra. The Baku Summon is dealt with easily by the bird summon or by Asura Path's Flaming Arrow Missiles. Deva Path can one-shot it via Shinra Tensei if necessary. If Human Path ever manages to grab a hold of Danzo, then Pain will practically gain full knowledge on Danzo's abilities, including his last resort Fuinjutsu. Even if Danzo manages to defeat the main bodies, Deva Path, Preta Path, and Asura Path, Naraka Path should be able to restore them without much trouble; Danzo has no knowledge, and will be preoccupied with the more offensive Paths and summons.

If by some heavenly miracle Danzo defeats Pain Rikudo, he'll be in no shape to fight Nagato, crippled or not. By that time, he'd have exhausted nearly all of his Izanagi, and Shisui's eye will not be active for at least another 30 minutes - 1 hour. Nagato will destroy him with Deva Path and Preta Path. Gedo Mazo only ensures Danzo's defeat.

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It's not that ridiculous. At all. Danzō can't die for ten minutes, and if he uses Konoamatsukami on Deva Path, then he can win. One giant Shinra Tensei would frazzle the rest of Pain and Danzō is much stronger than any individual realm.

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This battle can go either way, really.

This is just a basic idea of what could happen; I haven't factored in Koto Amatsukami's effectiveness or Danzo's susceptibility to being sealed (a much debated topic).

A) If Danzo can take out Naraka his chances of winning increase dramatically. The next ones he should take out are Deva and Preta (who can block Danzo's offense). The other Paths can only attempt to make Danzo waste Izanagi; otherwise they're not a threat. TL:DR Danzo wins if he takes out the Paths that can stall and block his onslaught.

B) If Pain can stall long enough for Izanagi to run out (by keeping Naraka the hell away from Danzo), he wins.

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How would Koto-Amatsu-Kami work on Pain if he has no mind? Nagato is controlling them at a far away distance, so controlling him is out of the equation as well.

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We've seen illusions work on Pain. Or, to be more accurate, Nagato himself, because the paths don't have minds. Both cases are a win for Danzō.

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Konoamatsukami is useless as it would have to control Nagato to have any effect on the Paths. Pain easily destroys Baku with Cereberus and negates any Fuuton with ST or absorbtion.

Especially since he has no knowledge Danzo will be hard pressed to find an opening to kill the bodies. Izanagi can easily be countered by Shared Vision watching all blind spots and if he gets stabbed with a Chakra disruption blade it's a non factor. Eventually Danzo sucumbs to Pain's overwhelmng firepower and gets soul ripped.

Pain wins low diff

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B) If Pain can stall long enough for Izanagi to run out (by keeping Naraka the hell away from Danzo), he wins.
That's not necessary.Danzo doesn't have the means to take paths like Deva (that survived a beating from SM Naruto, 6 tails and Bijuu-dama) or Gedo Mazo.

Also, if paths really need to be revived and Hell's out, Nagato can do it himself.

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If this is a response to my thread I never said Danzo = Nagato + Pain Rikudo, I said Danzo is equal in strength to just Pain and under the circumstances were Naruto fought Pain versus the circumstances that MS Sasuke fought Danzo, I.E. the match up should look like this

Danzo vs Pain

State of Mind: Danzo has killer intent and Pain doesn't

Distance: Ether Sasuke vs Danzo or Naruto vs Pain doesn't matter

Knowledge: Danzo has full knowledge and Pain has none

Conditions: Danzo starts with his seal undone. Deva is recharging and so is Shisui's eye, both will become active after roughly 10min

Though I do believe that Danzo could give Pain a run for his money even given your conditions, but he would loose at Nagato for sure.

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Danzo's biggest disadvantage against Pain is his lack of taijutsu. Without taijutsu Pain only needs two bodies, the Deva and Preta paths. Preta can absorb any Danzo throws at him and Deva can produce an offense onslaught while being completely protected. The reason Naruto was able to beat Pain was because he could dismantle one of Pain's bodies with a single blow, not having to risk his ninjutsu being absorbed.

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We've seen illusions work on Pain. Or, to be more accurate, Nagato himself, because the paths don't have minds. Both cases are a win for Danzō.
Except Nagato himself didn't appear in the Magen: Gamarinshou illusion, nor was he directly affected.

The most I can see Koto-Amatsu-Kami doing is overriding Nagato's control over a body and rendering it useless (since without Nagato its dead, so mind control won't come into play). However, Naraka Path can revive it and Nagato can simply re-boot it.

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Except Nagato himself didn't appear in the Magen: Gamarinshou illusion.
His illusory appearance is irrelevant to me. His mind was speaking from inside the cube binding. Hence his mind was inside the cube binding.

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No, Nagato was speaking through the physical bodies of the Realms, just like how Orochimaru spoke in the physical world when bound by Magen: Kasegui, and Itachi and Kurenai when bound by Jibaku Satsu.

If it was Itachi controlling the Realms, you'd argue to hell and back he was safe from the Genjutsu.

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Their physical bodies had their motor functions "completely paralyzed," which means they can't physically speak. That is distinct from the other two binding genjutsu, which make you perceive spikes or trees inhibiting movement.

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So it's a good thing they had someone else to speak through them instead.

I don't see Nagato in there. And why does Nagato say Naruto got closer to beating Pain in that case?

Right, I forgot. You're not really debating an honest point. You're trying to downplay a character you hate.

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If this is a response to my thread I never said Danzo = Nagato + Pain Rikudo, I said Danzo is equal in strength to just Pain and under the circumstances were Naruto fought Pain versus the circumstances that MS Sasuke fought Danzo, I.E. the match up should look like this

Danzo vs Pain

State of Mind: Danzo has killer intent and Pain doesn't

Distance: Ether Sasuke vs Danzo or Naruto vs Pain doesn't matter

Knowledge: Danzo has full knowledge and Pain has none

Conditions: Danzo starts with his seal undone. Deva is recharging and so is Shisui's eye, both will become active after roughly 10min

Though I do believe that Danzo could give Pain a run for his money even given your conditions, but he would loose at Nagato for sure.
I don't see danzo beating or tying against pain unless the factors of the fight r heavily in his favor. pain is far stronger, he outclasses danzo by a solid full tier.

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So it's a good thing they had someone else to speak through them instead.
So he physically spoke through their paralyzed vocal chords, tongues, and lips?

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I don't see Nagato in there. And why does Nagato say Naruto got closer to beating Pain in that case?
Why does Nagato say Jiraiya would have won had he known the real one wasn't there? Probably because the genjutsu actually worked on Nagato, but was released prematurely when Jiraiya thought he had won. Underestimation.

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Right, I forgot. You're not really debating an honest point. You're trying to downplay a character you hate.
There is no need to be petty.

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What will Kotoamatsukami do? Pain will FUCK DANZO UP!!! once Pain hits Danzo with one of these
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v42/c381/3.html
Danzo will lose control of his chakara
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v51/c480/11.html
LOL Pain with little-mid difficulty

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Bringing this in when as has been pointed out, Nagato did not appear in the genjutsu world, just the three Pains shown hit by it? Not only that, Orochimaru apparently spoke when 'wholly' paralyzed with giant stakes driven through him.

Nagato can still fight. Oh, and Ma and Pa were never shown 'releasing' a Genjutsu with any kai , so by your logic he should still be trapped.

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