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Old 07-18-2011, 06:16 AM   #1
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Summoning is banned entirely. That includes such variants as Gamaguchi Shibari and Mandara no Jin. J-Man is as he was against Pain. Orochimaru is as he was against KN4. Keep in mind J-Man's ability to use temporal Sage Mode without Pa/Ma.

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Old 07-18-2011, 06:22 AM   #2
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Seriously AP?
Are you that bored? Oh well...

Orochimaru wins it, eventually; moderate to extreme difficulty.
The thing is that Jiraiya is a bit more restricted, as, technically, Orochimaru can still use White Snake Mode.

Also, Orochimaru's Oral Rebirth will give him a lot of chances of killing Jiraiya, while Jiraiya's offensive power is seriously compromised due the lack of Sage Mode. I see this being a battle of attrition, one that Orochimaru will win.

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Keep in mind J-Man's ability to use temporal Sage Mode without Pa/Ma.
Jiraiya can not use Sage Mode by himself.
Unless, of course, you can prove me wrong.

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Old 07-18-2011, 06:25 AM   #3
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Jiraiya can not use Sage Mode by himself.
Unless, of course, you can prove me wrong.
You can see Jiraiya in SM by himself. He has a time/chakra limit and must stay still to enter it - similar to Naruto. But he can use it.

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This is basically a really restricted base Jiraiya against a slightly restricted Orochimaru. Without the support of Fukasaku and Shima, I see it being very unlikely that Jiraiya would resort to using Sage Mode due to the time needed to enter it and the fact he has trouble maintaining it.

Despite being more restricted, Jiraiya has a lot more options to work with than Orochimaru as a large portion of his repertoire consists of snake based techniques, but I would still give the edge to Orochimaru. Orochimaru may not have a lot of jutsu, but there is nothing Jiraiya has that can actually kill Orochimaru. He does, as Soul pointed out, still have his oral rebirth jutsu. If he can survive having his arm torn off and being torn in half, what does Jiraiya have that can kill Orochimaru? Doton: Yomi Numa is the only thing I can think of, and even then Orochimaru can counter it by spitting his Kusanagi at Jiraiya. Either he maintains the swamp and is impaled or dodges and releases the swamp.

In close combat or Taijutsu, Orochimaru still has the edge. He has a weapon to work with, a very sharp weapon, whereas Jiraiya is forced to fight unarmed. Jiraiya may have a defense, but it isn't going to soak the damage from Orochimaru's sword one bit. Moreover, Orochimaru can extend his limbs and twist around Jiraiya, making it harder to actually hit him. Although doing that would make Orochimru easier to hit with Hari Jizō.

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Orochimaru wins, Jiraiya can't use HM on his own:
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While Oro can use Yamato no Orochi, since that isn't a summon, and Jiraiya has no way to kill it.

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Orochimaru wins, Jiraiya can't use HM on his own:
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While Oro can use Yamato no Orochi, since that isn't a summon, and Jiraiya has no way to kill it.
First part was contradicted by Fukusaku later. About Hydra - how about Yomi Numa?

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You can see Jiraiya in SM by himself. He has a time/chakra limit and must stay still to enter it - similar to Naruto. But he can use it.
He can enter, but he has to gather natural energy and all that shit.
And we know that Pa stated that you can not enter SM in battle if you take that long gathering the energy you need.

You have a good argument, but I just don't see it happening in this scenario.

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While Oro can use Yamato no Orochi, since that isn't a summon, and Jiraiya has no way to kill it.
Yomi Numa should work nicely against Yamata no Orochi.

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Not sure if it would sink something that big instantly, so I suppose he could try bashing Jiraiya with one of his many heads or impaling Jiraiya with his Kusanagi before he was fully submerged.

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Maybe it wouldn't sink instantly, maybe it would.
What we know is that Yomi Numa will be extremely effective in that scenario.

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Come on OP just make no restrictions and it'll be a lot funner to debate.

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Restricting HM puts it in orochi's favour, they are imo practically even when Jiraiya has HM, in base, he cannot beat orochimaru.

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Come on OP just make no restrictions and it'll be a lot funner to debate.
Its nice sometimes to have different conditions to matches that have been done so many times.

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I'm not sure if Yomi Numa would be effective on Yamata. If it sank the body, the heads would still be able to attack, and Orochimaru would (likely) be able to exit the mouth. However, seeing as how those doffer snakes were fast enough to break Jiraiya's leg and ribs, I think eight hydra-heads would do some damage.

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Its nice sometimes to have different conditions to matches that have been done so many times.
I agree with WPK, having some neat restrictions like what AP did here puts a little flair in a debate that has been done a thousand times.

Restricting summoning really puts a damper on both sides.

Orochimaru still has his one futon, the kusanagi, his body modification jutsu, LAC, oral rebirth, and his trump card Yamata. Orochimaru has a pretty limited arsenal in terms of attacking here.

Jiraiya, while still heavily reliant on summons, still has a decent sized aresnal without his toads. He still has his katons, Gamayudan, Yomi Numa, the detection barrier, Ranjishigami, Rasengan, his shadow jutsu, and most of all his short but sweet version of SM. Jiraiya still has really good attacks, good defenses and good supporting jutsu, and his SM is just the kicker.

Only because of Orochmaru's limitations when it comes to attacks with no summons do I give Jiraiya the advantage. Otherwise both of them have decent chances at winning. Orochimaru due to his sneaky and resilient fighting style, and Jiraiya thanks to his diverse and dangerous arsenal of jutsu.

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However, seeing as how those doffer snakes were fast enough to break Jiraiya's leg and ribs,.

you mean the same jiraiya who was drugged with just enough chakra to summoned gamakishi ??

also yumi numa would be a nightmare for yamata

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I'm pretty sure it was the same Jiraiya that used much stronger jutsu, with Gambabuta's cooperation, than he is allowed to use here.

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Didn't Jiraiya break his legs and ribs from being slammed into the ground by Orochimaru, and not the snakes?

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If Orochimaru is as he was against KN4, he's going to run out of juice much quicker, due to body failure. Jiriaya on thee other hand is much more limited due to the lack of summons considering that he can not use his triumph card SM, while Orochimaru can use Yamata no Orochi. And yes I am aware that Jiriaya can enter SM w/o the elder toads, but I do not believe its practical here since he can't summon allies to help him buy time to gather natural energy.

This leaves Jiriaya in Base Mode, however because of Orochimaru's body failure he's not off as bad as he might typically be and this battle basically becomes can Orochimaru defeat Jiraiya before his body fails him. I'd say no Jiriaya can pull this off. Jiriaya has the same speed stat as Orochimaru in the Data-book, is actually better at Taijutsu, and can use KB more freely so I don't see Orochimaru overwhelming Jiriaya in close CQC. Madara no Jin would be countered with Yomi Numa and if Orochimaru gets ensnared by Yomi Numa he'll end up having to waste an Oral Rebirth just to escape. The only Jutsu I see Jiriaya having difficulty with is Yamata no Orochi, but I don't imagine that Orochimaru with body failure going on can hold that Jutsu long and even than Yomi Numa should be able to ensnare or slow down Yamata movements enough for Jiriaya fall back.

So I think Jiriaya would survive to the point where Orochimaru's body fails, him, however Orochimaru won't just lay down and die if his body fails him rather he'll escape the body and enter White Snake Form. This is where Jiriaya could loose. If Jiriaya use Yomi Numa on Orochimaru, than Oro's doomed, but if Jiriaya blasts him apart with lesser attacks he'll end up poisoned and Orochimaru can than kill him. However if Orochimaru makes the mistake of trying to body transfer with Jiriaya, which he very well might because he'll need a new body, than I can also see Jiriaya with his will power overcoming the dimension and defeating Orochimaru.

So I'd say the battle could go ether way, but I give the small node to Orochimaru, simply because he has a chance to kill Jiriaya before his body fails and than has another chance to kill him after his body fails. Furthermore overall Orochimaru seems like he is much less handicapped than Jiriaya. So Oro 6/10 times.

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Under normal circumstances I would say that Jman rapes under these conditions. Summoning my be half of Jman's power, but it's like 90% of Orochimaru's power.

Then I remembered White Snake form, who has HAXX poison.

Orochimaru wins.

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If Orochimaru is as he was against KN4, he's going to run out of juice much quicker, due to body failure.
Funny since Orochimaru's best stamina display and one of the best stamina displays in the manga was his fight vs KN4.

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Jiriaya on thee other hand is much more limited due to the lack of summons considering that he can not use his triumph card SM, while Orochimaru can use Yamata no Orochi.
Which Jiraiya has a really good counter to, out of fortune.

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Jiriaya has the same speed stat as Orochimaru in the Data-book
Doesn't mean their battle speed is the same. Sasuke and Deidara also share a 4.5 in speed in the databook but are definitely not equal in battle speed. Orochimaru has better manga speed feats(blitzing KN4) which was due to him seemingly increasing it with the use of nan no kaizou.

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