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Old 06-08-2011, 04:48 PM   #1
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Ino Team Yamanaka vs. Team Hyuga

TEAM YAMANAKA VS. TEAM HYUGA



Combatants
Yamanaka Inoichi - Jounin
Hyuga Hiashi - Jounin
Yamanaka Ino - Chuunin
Hyuga Hinata - Chuunin
Yamanaka Fu- ANBU (Jounin-level)
Hyuga Neji - Jounin

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Battle Details
Location: Konoha Forest of Death
Starting distance:150m
State of Mind: In-character with intention to kill or incapacitate.
Knowledge: Basic knowledge of opposing clan's abilities, but not specific techniques.
Restrictions: None.

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Things to Consider
1: Both sides have one Chuunin (Ino and Hinata), one seemingly mid-level Jounin (Fu and Neji) and one elite Jounin (Inoichi and Hiashi)
2: The Yamanaka Clan's abilities mostly involve sending their chakra and/or consciousness into the opponent, something the Byakugan can likely see and perhaps evade. Working in unison, however, could make this much more difficult in action than it is in theory.
3: Fu's puppet traps could still be used to great effect given that even if the Hyuga combatants are aware of the chakra in the trap, they do not know that counterattacking results in falling victim to it.
4: The Hyuga team's Byakugan allows them to see their opponent from the starting distance through the brush of the forest allowing them to be conscious to avoid any traps and attempt to set up an ambush.
5: The Yamanaka team has two sensors giving them a similar advantage as well as a medical ninja.
-Whether or not Kaiten can disrupt or cancel out Shintenshin, Shinranshin, etc. . . is unknown and will be left up to you to decide.
6: For the purposes of this battle, assume that both Hiashi and Inoichi have mastered all of their clans techniques. The rest are limited to their manga feats.

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Old 06-08-2011, 05:29 PM   #2
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Team Hyuga win this with difficulty. Hiashi in the manga took out like 12 Jonin/Chunin with 1 rotation which is a defensive move. That alone tells me that him and Neji are all that's needed here. Fu needs prep to get his jutsu up and this leaves his body vulnerable. Any 1 Hyuga could pick him off in that state. Inoichi gets defeated by Hiashi seeing as how the 2 strongest ninja from each clan will likely face off. Hiashi has all of Neji and Hinata's abilities making him above any Yamanaka. Neji can defeat Ino and Fu solo in my opinion but if not Hinata is there for backup.

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Old 06-08-2011, 05:36 PM   #3
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Good thread. I think that the Hyuuga's win.

The Hyuuga's would definately be capable of seeing everything the Yamanaka clan does until they bring it to CQC, so any sort of traps, including Fu's, are useless here. Even without knowledge on what it does, they would clearly see him setting it up, and just avoid it, since the puppet needs to be attacked for the technique to work. I doubt that the trap can be set up in time anyway; the distance should be covered before then.

The distance shouldn't be very difficult to cross. Once they meet, the Hyuuga's dominate in hand-to-hand combat. They have basic knowledge of the Yamanaka clan's mind switch, so know to keep mobile to avoid getting hit, and can pinpoint the time the jutsu is cast due to disturbances in the body's chakra and the hand signs. The jutsu isn't made for combat anyway and is difficult to hit on a mobile opponent, and if the Byakugan can see the projection, the chances of it hitting are practically nonexistant.

There's also Air Palm, which can be used to strike the Yamanaka once they make the signs, or after they have already sent the projection, which would cancel the jutsu and cause damage.

So the Hyuuga clan, with low-mid difficulty.


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Old 06-08-2011, 05:43 PM   #4
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Hyuuga clan win with high difficulty. Ino's Shintenshin is fast and if her dad and Fu are at the same level of speed or close to it using their own Shintenshin closing in with them (which the Hyuuga need to do to win) will be difficult to say the least.

I'm giving it to Hyuuga because, despite it basically being astral projection, it's still a jutsu where they invade your body utilizing chakra (Asuma, because he didn't know about Inner Sakura, suggested Ino lost control of Sakura during their preliminary fight because Ino was low on chakra, which means their chakra plays a role in the possession itself and isn't solely for initiating the jutsu). Even if one of Team Hyuuga gets possessed their comrades can likely use non-lethal, non-debilitating Jyuuken strikes to free their possessed comrade (as well as cause pain to a Yamanaka). They could even seal the tenketsu on the possessed one, thus sealing the chakra of the possessing Yamanaka, and then unseal the tenketsu after the Yamanaka's spirit has been forced out of the body turning the Shintenshin against the Yamanaka clan members.

Ultimately, the Yamanaka's only real threat is Shinranshin and too little is known about that for me to judge it properly. If it functions anything like Shintenshin the Hyuuga should be able to see it coming. The Yamanaka Clan need traps and tools to fully utilize Shintenshin and the Hyuuga, having some knowledge of the Yamanaka clan's jutsu, will not allow themselves to be lured near any points where traps have been set up. This is what seals the Yamanaka Clan's fate. Their primary form of attack is too unwieldly whereas the Hyuuga just need to get close and start poking and Neji and Hiashi have a mid-range attack (Hinata should as well, even if her Vaccuum Palm might be weaker than theirs, otherwise the thought of her somehow pulling off a combo Vaccuum Palm with Neji becomes absurd) to help further throw the Yamanka off-balance.

It's safe bet that no one will be ambushing anyone in this match (the Hyuuga's Byakugan will see such traps and they don't use traps themselves) and the Yamanaka needed that slight edge. Ironically enough, had it been one-on-one matches instead of team matches, the Yamanaka probably would have faired better.

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Old 06-08-2011, 05:58 PM   #5
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Hyuga win

At 15m, Shintensin should be avoidable and seen with the Byakugan

If the Hyuga close the distance, their options go up exponentially

Air Palm should shut down any chance of Mind Transfer
As does Kaiten

And if Twin Lion Fists and 64 Divinations ends it at close range

Hyuga shouldn't have much trouble taking this

Hyuga clan are still the strongest in Konoha

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:08 PM   #6
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While I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, I should point out a couple of things that could help the Yamanaka group significantly in their fight.

Firstly, they have the teamwork advantage. I say this not because the Hyuga are worse at working in a team, but because the Yamanaka Clan can communicate with each other telepathically. This is a huge advantage as the opponent has no indication that any kind of strategy is being put into action.

The second thing is Shinranshin. If Inoichi can use this on one of the Hyugas, it could turn the tide of the battle immediately. While we don't know in-depth details of its mechanics, it seems to leave Inoichi's consciousness in his body, which means his defenses are still intact. Using it and forcing one of the Hyugas to attack their comrades or simply making them attack one of Fu's traps could spell disaster for the byakugan bunch.

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Old 06-08-2011, 07:14 PM   #7
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Great thread, I think Hyuga win. Hiashi used that one move that I forget the name of to take out that jounin at a range. I'm not seeing why he can't use that on at the very least Ino.

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Old 06-09-2011, 08:53 AM   #8
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This thread is amazing! The clans of my two favourite characters duking it out!

I really could see it going either way, but purely because the general census in that the Hyuga win, I'll come up with reasons why the Yamanakas can take the victory.

Inoichi's Shinranshin is pretty deadly. We don't have much info on it, but it seems as if the effect is pretty much instant once the hand sign is performed. Neji and Hiashi may be able to avoid it (although if Inoichi spams it, I can see them falling), but I don't see Hinata evading this fast technique, making it four against two.

Does Fu really need prep for his puppet? Because can't he literally just throw it out and have it attack someone? As the OP said, the Hyugas would be able to see the chakra stored in it, but wouldn't know that they can't attack it. This is a huge advantage for Fu. Once he's possessed someone, he wouldn't hesitate either to gouge out his own eyes, therefore making that Hyuga useless (Fu himself would still be fine to a certain degree as he could sense, and communicate telepathically with his clan)

Ino's Shinten Bunshin may catch the Hyugas off guard, seeing as she can control its trajectory and it's fast. I don't believe Rotation could deflect it, as Shikamaru's shadows are able to pass through Gaara's ultimate defence effortlessly- surely a spirit could do similar.

All of the Yamanakas have shown good evasion feats, meaning that they'll unlikely be hurt by attacks such as the Air Palm.

If for some ridiculous reason they enter CQC, Ino and Fu have shown that they can at least hold them off (although if they linger in close combat too long they'll definitely be destroyed)

And doesn't Inoichi have some genjutsu feats too?

Anyway, there you have some general points in favour of the Mind Rapers, but the Hyuga could take it just as easily.

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I'll give it to the Yamanakas too.

If Inoichi manages to hit with Shinranshin ,thats working pretty fast after the handseal is done, it turns the advantage to the yamanakas!
Fuu would just need to cooperate with Inoichi and take the control over Hiashi or Neji! so the Hyugas would lose a great fighter of their team.
Then we have Ino who can controll 2 bodys at once.

I still dont think that the hyugas are are able to see the Shintenshin or Shintenbunshin itself,because they use there spiritual energy,and its nowhere said that they can see it. spiritual energy is only one PART that chakra is made out of-

so if they doesnt see the the attacks of Fuu and Ino,they will have big problems,because they dont have much time to dodge,since shintenshin and shinten bunshin are damn fast.
Maybe they could dodge shintenshin because its a well known jutsu of the yamanakas and its going straight ahead. but shintenbunshin is probaply pretty unkown and the user can control the way the jutsu goes. team hyuga have no good chances to dodge this jutsu. and if ino only manages to catch one of them,they have already a big disadvantage;-

(the yamanakas would be doing good if they are up to to catch Neji and Hiashi ,if they would posses hinata it wouldnt change much,everybody in this battle is a higher level than she is.like anyone said; only hiashi and neji are needed here)

-because its 3 vs 2 then (with inoichi and his shinranshin it could even be 4 vs 1).

it sounds pretty easy for the yamanakas,but it is only the case if the hyugas are not able to see spiritual energy.otherwise the battle would turn out a lot harder for the yamanakas. but since spiritual is only a part of what chakra is made out of,and the hyugas are only said to see chakra and nothing more, i dont think they will see any of the yamanaka jutsus.
although i have to say ,that shinranshin uses chakra,and no spiritual energy,they would possibly be able to see the shinranshin coming,but inos shintenbunshin is still their special weapon in this fight.

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Team Hyuga win this and team yama don't have speed feat at all so they might get blitz .

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Team Hyuga win this and team yama don't have speed feat at all so they might get blitz .
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Hyuuga, didn't they say they were the strongest in Konoha or something ? All in all, they aren't catching the hyuuga's with mind transfer, and as soon as they get close, Neji does his thing, Hinata clobbers, and Hisashi Rotates.

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Hyuuga, didn't they say they were the strongest in Konoha or something ?
Kakashi said Sakura was closest to becoming Hokage, so I'd take statements with a pinch of salt

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Each of the Yamanaka take control of a Hyuuga.

They then jump off a cliff and release.
EZ win for team Yamanaka.

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Each of the Yamanaka take control of a Hyuuga.

They then jump off a cliff and release.
EZ win for team Yamanaka.
Hyugas close their Tenketsu. Yamanakas surrender.

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They can't really do that while being controlled by Ino.

Problem, Hyuuga?

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Hyuuga, didn't they say they were the strongest in Konoha or something ? All in all, they aren't catching the hyuuga's with mind transfer, and as soon as they get close, Neji does his thing, Hinata clobbers, and Hisashi Rotates.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa, anyone can say they're the strongest or fastest. Does that mean they could beat Hiruzen? Because they claim they were the strongest?

I call that pride, my friend, anyone can claim that.

P.S. I LOVE the Hyuga clan but you can't just take the words of what people say so seriously. If Sakura didn't call herself a burden in Part 1, would you believe her?

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They need to get close to do that... Plus, was Hinata ever shown closing tenketsu?

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Hyuuga, didn't they say they were the strongest in Konoha or something ? All in all, they aren't catching the hyuuga's with mind transfer, and as soon as they get close, Neji does his thing, Hinata clobbers, and Hisashi Rotates.
getting close to the yamanakas means: suicide!
they dont see the mind transfer,if they come close ino can take controll over 2 of them with ease,and rape the left one at first and going suicide with the controlled bodys

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They need to get close to do that... Plus, was Hinata ever shown closing tenketsu?
Let's be honest with ourselves here, Hinata is just a liability. Neji and Hia..Hiza..his uncle should be fast enough to get to Inoichi and Fuu considering the Yamanakas have no speed feats and need fairly slow targets to get off their jutsu. Once those two are done Ino's a cake walk.

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