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Old 04-14-2011, 06:26 PM   #81
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Bye. Make sure next time you bring your databook with you.
I will bring whatever is necessary to shut you down. Today I used the manga. Next time, I will use the databook to amuse you. OK? It's a promise.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:26 PM   #82
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He can beat Nagato for sure. Nagato was barely able to deal with KN6, so RM after SM is bad news for him.

Madara is probably still too strong. Kabuto I have no idea.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:27 PM   #83
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We didn't see him perfect it. It is unclear whether or not he has a perfected Bijuudama.
Everyone and their mama knows Naruto's gonna perfect it IN BATTLE, just like he did rasengan.

C'mon dude thats just too obvious. You really think Naruto's gonna get another training session to complete it?

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:27 PM   #84
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Your back so soon. I thought you were leaving.

I don't see any databook.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:31 PM   #85
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Your back so soon. I thought you were leaving.

I don't see any databook.
I never said I was leaving. I said my job was done. I was done correcting you on your false claim. Now, I am just having fun. Plus, since when do you care for the databook? After claiming it did not matter, you then switched to pretending that the battledome lists were from the databook. Now, you want the very databook you said were bullshit. Man, you are funny. You DO amuse me

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:37 PM   #86
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Everyone and their mama knows Naruto's gonna perfect it IN BATTLE, just like he did rasengan.

C'mon dude thats just too obvious. You really think Naruto's gonna get another training session to complete it?
The question at hand is whether or not Naruto is more powerful than Nagato, Madara and Kabuto right now, as in "This very moment, chapter 535". And as of right now, I don't think he's perfected Bijuudama.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:39 PM   #87
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I never said I was leaving. I said my job was done. I was done correcting you on your false claim. Now, I am just having fun. Plus, since when do you care for the databook? After claiming it did not matter, you then switched to pretending that the battledome lists were from the databook. Now, you want the very databook you said were bullshit. Man, you are funny. You DO amuse me
Look at that, a Databook fanboy with no evidence except off topic posts.

You come in here with your databook and now your leaving without one.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:42 PM   #88
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I'm pretty sure Hiruzen used Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, 2-3 clones is still kage bunshin.

Tajuu kage bunshin no jutsu is creating hundreds or more clones.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:46 PM   #89
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The question at hand is whether or not Naruto is more powerful than Nagato, Madara and Kabuto right now, as in "This very moment, chapter 535". And as of right now, I don't think he's perfected Bijuudama.
Except that wasn't the point I was making, t'was that Naruto is more than capable of nuking villages.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:47 PM   #90
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You guys know what, Hiruzen didn't use Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Because Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is officially translated as Mass Shadow Clone Technique. You call 3 clones a mass of clones? More importantly, when Hiruzen performed the technique, he cried "Kage Bunshin no Jutsu", not "Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu".

Can we say for certain that he did not know it or simply was unable to use it in his old age? No. But he certainly has never been shown to use it in the manga.

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Except that wasn't the point I was making, t'was that Naruto is more than capable of nuking villages.
Will be.

I was gauging his stength based on what we know that he can currently do, as the thread is asking us to rate current Naruto, not his potential. And, at this writing moment, he cannot (yet) nuke entire villages, as far as we can be certain.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:49 PM   #91
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Guys its very obvious Hiruzen cannot perform Taju Kage Bunshin. SenjuClan just here to hate. So I just let him, just look how bad his first post on this thread is, he doesn't accept other people's opinion. Therefore he will never accept his wrong.

Now lets get back on topic and forget about that guy. Haters gonna hate. You can't do anything about it.


Besides, in the eyes of sharingan, they are just fodders.


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Old 04-14-2011, 06:50 PM   #92
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He is stronger than anyone right now and until madara shows what rinnengan power he has I will stick to that.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:52 PM   #93
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Yes by feats Naruto is the strongest. By hype I'll give it to Madara or Kabuto.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:52 PM   #94
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You guys know what, Hiruzen didn't use Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Because Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is officially translated as Mass Shadow Clone Technique. You call 3 clones a mass of clones? More importantly, when Hiruzen performed the technique, he cried "Kage Bunshin no Jutsu", not "Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu".

Can we say for certain that he did not know it or simply was unable to use it in his old age? No. But he certainly has never been shown to use it in the manga.


Will be.

I was gauging his stength based on what we know that he can currently do, as the thread is asking us to rate current Naruto, not his potential. And, at this writing moment, he cannot (yet) nuke entire villages, as far as we can be certain.

Even then a fuuton rasengan/rasenshiriken powered by kyuubi chakra should be more than capable of nuking a village sir.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:58 PM   #95
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Even then a fuuton rasengan/rasenshiriken powered by kyuubi chakra should be more than capable of nuking a village sir.
Uh... no... because he'd still have to convert that Chakra into Wind Chakra. And the Rasengan can only hold so much Wind Chakra and remain unstable. Try harder.

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Uh... no... because he'd still have to convert that Chakra into Wind Chakra. And the Rasengan can only hold so much Wind Chakra and remain unstable. Try harder.
This makes absolutely no sense, how the hell does adding wind element limit the power of the rasengan?! Wind element makes the rasengan stronger sir.

I think your confused, Naruto doesn't convert the chakra, he adds wind element to the rasengan.

Now imagine a rasengan powered by kyuubi chakra with wind element.

You try harder sir.

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Stronger than Madara now? No fucking way, it wouldn't make any sense at this point of the story.

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Old 04-14-2011, 07:33 PM   #98
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This makes absolutely no sense, how the hell does adding wind element limit the power of the rasengan?! Wind element makes the rasengan stronger sir.
When did I even imply otherwise?

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I think your confused, Naruto doesn't convert the chakra, he adds wind element to the rasengan.

Now imagine a rasengan powered by kyuubi chakra with wind element.

You try harder sir.
You seem to be confused by my basic English.

The Rasengan becomes unstable if you add too much Elemental Chakra to it. It also requires tremendous amounts of Chakra to create Rasenshuriken. Do we even now that Naruto can elementally recompose the Kyuubi's chakra? If not, he can still only use his own Chakra to create Wind Elemental Chakra.

The explosion that occurs within a Rasenshuriken is not due to the Rasengan but to the Wind Chakra. So what does it matter which kind of Chakra you use to create the Base Rasengan? It's the Wind that matters. And you cannot add unlimited amounts of Wind Chakra to Rasengan without it becoming unstable. It's a massive rotating mass of Chakra already.

Thus, Naruto can't just magically create a Rasengan the size of a house and infuse it with enough Wind Chakra for it to be able to nuke an entire village, even if he can use the Kyuubi's Chakra for both tasks. The laws of Chakra physics won't allow him to.

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tbh the only reason I put madara over Naruto is because of his S/T jutsu, Naruto hasn't shown anything capable of dealing with that as yet. otherwise Naruto>Madara featswise.

Madara is still an unknown although his hype is huge.

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  • Bijuu level chakra
  • RM
  • SM
  • Access to Gamabunta, Gamaken, Gamahiro, Fukasaku, Shima and other summons
  • Taju Kage Bunshin no jutsu (Only Kakashi and Naruto can perform this jutsu)
  • Mastered Rasengan
  • And many more jutsu's.

He clearly can solo all those Edo's army and utterly destroy Kabuto, Madara and Nagato.
And I give you:

1. Extremely Coercive Sharingan (complete brainwashing of Yagura, Tsuchikage's fear of it)
2. Izanagi (time undetermined, at least ten minutes)
3. Possible Mokuton techniques (combination of Uchiha and Senju DNA)
4. Space-Time Ninjutsu (most advanced in the Naruto world) and Phasing Ability (five minutes)
5. Rinnegan (allows user to learn and perform every technique in existence)
a. Fire (assumed), Earth, Wind (assumed), Lightning (assumed), Water (assumed), Yin, Yang, Yin-Yang Release
b. All Six Paths of Pain abilities/powers:
God Realm
- Shinra Tensei
- Chou Shinra Tensei
- Chibaku Tensei
- Bansho Tenin
Animal Realm
- Summoning Technique
Hungry Ghost Realm
- Absorption of every single ninja technique
Human Realm
- Mind Reading (Soul Removal)
Demon Realm
- Extremely destructive long-range missile attacks
Hell Realm
- Practical torture and interrogation method (when used with the outer path, grants control over life and death)
Outer Path
- Rinne Tensei

Thus, in response to your post: there's not a thing Naruto can to Madara at the moment. If you seriously think he can "utterly destroy" Nagato, Kabuto, and Madara, you're in for a world of hurt.

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