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Originally Posted by Jetstorm
1. Anyone not coming to this thread to criticize can leave and not come back. If you come in here to troll, flame, etc I will happily delete your posts, infract, and outright ban the serious/repeat offenders. I'm dead fucking serious.
2. Criticism=/=hatred. Yes, there are those that DO hate the story now but do not lump everyone that has a problem with the story together.
3. Everyone is not complaining about the same thing. Different fandoms will hate and love different subjects. All this nonsense about people flip-flopping on what they want to happen is a result of different fandoms voicing their approval and disapproval.
A hardcore Naruto fan is not always going to like Sasuke's developments and the reverse is also true. Same with pairing fandoms and same with people that like certain villains.
The design of Naruto's Rikudou mode sucks. It's too white, there's just no shading, no contrast it looks like a human shaped void. It needs a more finished look.
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the next twist of this battle:
Kakashi will eventually convert Obito, but when they return from Kamui's dimension standing side by side Madara will pull his hidden card and activate the piece of Zetsu hidden which has been part of Obito for ages. That part will steal Obito's Rinnegan and unite with the black Zetsu which will finally make his reappearance which has in the meantime implanted itself with the second of Nagato's eyes.
Possessing two Rinnegan the Black Zetsu will use the Rinne Tensei on Madara. Madara, once back among the living will become the host of the Juubi and with his very first act bring back the rest of the Uchiha clan from the wall of eyes Tobi collected. However, they'll be under Madara's control and tainted by his evil forced to fight the alliance. Izuna will fight Tobirama, Kagami will fight Hiruzen, Fugaku will fight Minato.
Understandably Sasuke will be shocked by this turn of events and will be paralysed by indecision who he should fight.
just a quickie: Sakura will show us Dan's Ghost transformation jutsu. Thus making her the spiritual successor/child of both Dan and Tsunade
My prediction for Minato's Jutsu:
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost...28&postcount=4
Alternate:
That jutsu is an Onmyouton, which will give Naruto a similar power to create as Rikudou Sennin had. He will use that power to create a new Juubi out of the Kyuubi and the pieces of chakra the other bijuu have given him.
Oonoki:
Oonoki's ultimate power up will be his Nose no jutsu. The four marks on his nose aren't mere warts they are a seal for four hax jutsu.
Madara:
Tobi's human realm will try to rip out Naruto's spirit, but Naruto will instead turn the tables on him and rip out the human realm instead..
now promoted to atleast half correct
origin of the bijuu:
Rikudou originaly intended the bijuu as the guardians of the world. However when his sons fought over the succession the bijuu were left to their own devices and by themselves they were unable to bring about Rikudou's vision and became filled with hatred instead.
The design of Naruto's Rikudou mode sucks. It's too white, there's just no shading, no contrast it looks like a human shaped void. It needs a more finished look.
I especially dislike the whirlpool with the weird ugly tomoe-like tail thing on his belly.
It's good that there are markings on Naruto's body in RM but the ones Kishi came up with do not look cool at all.
I agree with the new look of the new mode, I also think that it completely voids the need for a new outfit for Naruto, which I'm sure many people were looking forward to. It just seems like lazyness on Kishimoto's part because it makes it easier to draw him.
I especially dislike the whirlpool with the weird ugly tomoe-like tail thing on his belly.
It's good that there are markings on Naruto's body in RM but the ones Kishi came up with do not look cool at all.
true, sadly without those whirlpools and those strange black markings it would look even worse. My only hope is that Kishi will combine RM and SM and give him a new design instead of that crappy one.
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the next twist of this battle:
Kakashi will eventually convert Obito, but when they return from Kamui's dimension standing side by side Madara will pull his hidden card and activate the piece of Zetsu hidden which has been part of Obito for ages. That part will steal Obito's Rinnegan and unite with the black Zetsu which will finally make his reappearance which has in the meantime implanted itself with the second of Nagato's eyes.
Possessing two Rinnegan the Black Zetsu will use the Rinne Tensei on Madara. Madara, once back among the living will become the host of the Juubi and with his very first act bring back the rest of the Uchiha clan from the wall of eyes Tobi collected. However, they'll be under Madara's control and tainted by his evil forced to fight the alliance. Izuna will fight Tobirama, Kagami will fight Hiruzen, Fugaku will fight Minato.
Understandably Sasuke will be shocked by this turn of events and will be paralysed by indecision who he should fight.
just a quickie: Sakura will show us Dan's Ghost transformation jutsu. Thus making her the spiritual successor/child of both Dan and Tsunade
My prediction for Minato's Jutsu:
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost...28&postcount=4
Alternate:
That jutsu is an Onmyouton, which will give Naruto a similar power to create as Rikudou Sennin had. He will use that power to create a new Juubi out of the Kyuubi and the pieces of chakra the other bijuu have given him.
Oonoki:
Oonoki's ultimate power up will be his Nose no jutsu. The four marks on his nose aren't mere warts they are a seal for four hax jutsu.
Madara:
Tobi's human realm will try to rip out Naruto's spirit, but Naruto will instead turn the tables on him and rip out the human realm instead..
now promoted to atleast half correct
origin of the bijuu:
Rikudou originaly intended the bijuu as the guardians of the world. However when his sons fought over the succession the bijuu were left to their own devices and by themselves they were unable to bring about Rikudou's vision and became filled with hatred instead.
I dislike how small of a part the other ninja villages played in Part 2 until now. Before the TS I thought that the other villages would come into conflict with a weakened Konoha but that never happened. Instead the story shifted from being about a boy who wanted to be the leader of a ninja village to a story about a boy wanting to "rescue" his friend and fight off people who want to capture him because of a demon he contains.
Stick with one fight at a time. Showing so many at once, and leaving many of them off panel is really annoying. It would be much better if we saw Kakashi, Sakura, Lee and Gai vs The Seven Swordsmen, Ino-Shika-Cho vs Asuma, Choza vs Dan, Mifune vs Hanzo etc. as seperate matches taking up a number of chapters. Instead of seeing random cut scenes of the fight =/
I dislike how small of a part the other ninja villages played in Part 2 until now. Before the TS I thought that the other villages would come into conflict with a weakened Konoha but that never happened. Instead the story shifted from being about a boy who wanted to be the leader of a ninja village to a story about a boy wanting to "rescue" his friend and fight off people who want to capture him because of a demon he contains.
And that change, I feel, was a big mistake.
I do not like that shift, either. For one thing, Naruto lost his narrative in more ways than one. He put his goal to become Hokage on the sidelines because he could not save his friend. We did not see him on very many productive missions on which he could travel to other villages. Naruto was not getting stronger primarily to prepare for the role of leading Konohagakure, but to have a rematch with Sasuke. This leads me to the issue of the power-scaling of this manga.
As Naruto is preparing to have that long-awaited showdown with Sasuke, the two have gotten exponentially stronger. This narrowed down the number of characters that could conceivably hold their own against them and made other characters look largely irrelevant. Kishimoto has to find excuses to keep Naruto out of the action and make a grand entrance in the end. Also, to what end are these two becoming so powerful? Sure, both may very well face Madara, but what happens after the smoke clears? There will be two powerful being left in the story with village-busting jutsus but no conceivable reason to use them. Naruto will most likely avoid killing anyone, as well.
Also, as I said in the other complaints thread, the title of kage looks irrelevant, as well, due to Naruto's role as the destined child. World peace is so much grander than the role of village leader. Kishimoto drastically changed the scope in Part 2.
The manga is just not interesting to read right now and has become almost a chore. The whole war so far has been a huge disappointment. Seriously, I feel like I am watching an American cartoon (nothing against American cartoons). Its like this:
For the next two weeks we have have a character you have never seen before battle this person you have never seen before.
*Two weeks later* We will have this character come back who was from the beginning of Naruto fight this character until they are defeated.
*Rinse and Repeat*
Its getting very tiresome and it feels like Kishimoto wants to draw out this manga longer than it needs to be. We all know the grand scheme of things and that Sasuke will eventually battle Naruto.
Another, disappointment is that there is no deaths. Have a major character die off to make the suspense go up. Isn't that what a war is about? But even if a major character does die off I doubt I will believe they will stay dead after what happened at the end of the Pain arc.
I just wish that these random battles would stop happening and its disappointing that once formidable opponents are now getting beaten up within two chapters.
When I think back to when I most enjoyed Naruto it was during the Chunnin Exams and the battle between the 3rd Hokage and Orochimaru. What happened Kishimoto?
i dislike that sasuke's EMS and naruto's rikudo mode both seem as small power ups.
RM should be stronger than KN8 but i feel like it is as stong as KN1.
EMS just restores sasuke's eyesight and an extra jutsu.
also the war arc should stop shifting. it seems so rushed. a better way to do this would be CE style. make the fights only 2-3 chapters, but atleast don't skip in the middle of the fight.
Sai vs Deidara would've been a badass fight. I've been anticipating it forever. They're fighting styles are parallels in quite a few ways. But instead, Kishi rushed through it and Sai showed us, as always, nothing new. Other than the drawing of the Benevolent Twins, which was cool, but the way they were used? Angry Sai has the ability to magically leap behind two high class ninja? Kishi should've put more effort into it.
The most I can hope for is that we see the "sealing jutsus" Kakashi asked him to use, when we finally get back to that story.
I dislike the power scaling that is know is used in Naruto. It's now more about haxx power ups then it is about stealth, tactic and deception that made the fights so charming back in Part 1. The impossible tip of Sasuke and Naruto's power skill just makes them all too exclusive to each other and Madara. There is no risk, and thus the climax of their fights are dampened.
The way Kishi has handled Part 2 has been disappointing overall. I don't mind the direction Part 1 took, to Sasuke leaving Konoha, but the way Kishimoto has handled the manga since then has been offputting. He should have written it in a way that had Sasuke action's challenge and change Naruto's idealistic world view and philosophy on the responsibility Hokage's took in the management of missing-nin/criminals that have become so due to being marginalized in a community fuelled by the villages (and thus the leader's) lack of care, rather then make Sasuke utterly impede on Naruto's path in becoming Hokage.
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