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Old 01-25-2011, 05:50 PM   #1
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Minato vs Itachi

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Knowledge: Manga.
Battlefield: Amegakure; Bottom right panel.
Starting Distance: 15 meters.
State of Mind: Minato & Itachi are bloodlusted.
Conditions: Itachi is healthy, and his eyes are in perfect condition.

Scenario 2- No knowledge.

Scenario 3- No knowledge. Bloodlusted. Standing 5 meters apart.

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Old 01-25-2011, 06:06 PM   #2
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Well, if Minato survives Tsukuyomi he wins but I am on the fence of whether or not he can.

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Old 01-25-2011, 06:07 PM   #3
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This match's victor depends on whether or not you arbitrarily believe Minato is immune to genjutsu. In terms of intended level, they are about the same, Minato might even be higher, but feat-wise, in the Battledome, Itachi should win. Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o, genjutsu, and clones are far better tools than Hiraishin and Rasengan. Itachi is also more reflexive than Minato since Minato was compared to Raikage without his lightning armor.


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Old 01-25-2011, 06:16 PM   #4
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Scenerio 1: Minato should win. He has the ability to warp away attacks like Amaterasu, and the Totsuka Blade. If he manages to tag Itachi, it'll be an easy win. He should be out of the Tsukuyomi range.

Scenerio 2: Essentially the same as above.

Scenerio 3: Itachi wins. 5 meter starting distance with no knowledge means Minato is going to get hit by a Tsukuyomi. Sure he'll survive it, perhaps be in a better shape then Kakashi was, but in no way will he defeat Itachi.

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I agree with Devil for once. Haha, let's make a Pain vs Minato thread and see if we still agree...

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Old 01-25-2011, 06:22 PM   #6
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How does he know when Amaterasu is coming if he's not looking at Itachi's eyes, and why wouldn't he look at Itachi's eyes without knowledge? Also, Susano'o, Utakata, and clones? It's a lot to warp away from and still put up some minor form of offense.

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If he keeps his distance Tsukuyomi shouldn't be a factor. And doesn't he have the speed to dodge Amaterasu anyway considering Raikage's speed was compared to him.

He has the speed to dodge most of those things and counterattack with a Rasengan. But yes Itachi has a very good advantage with no knowledge.

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Why would he keep his distance without knowledge?

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Why wouldn't he? After an attempted V2 Hiraishin foiled by a surprise Susano'o, which in that he will definitely stay back.

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Old 01-25-2011, 06:32 PM   #10
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Why would Itachi need Susano'o for v2 Hiraishin when Itachi has the single best feat in the manga for countering Hiraishin? He could easily block every kunai Minato throws and make a Karasu Bunshin while doing so.


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Minato vs Itachi

Restrictions: None.
Knowledge: Manga.
Battlefield: Amegakure; Bottom right panel.
Starting Distance: 15 meters.
State of Mind: Minato & Itachi are bloodlusted.
Conditions: Itachi is healthy, and his eyes are in perfect condition.
Manga knowledge means Itachi should understand what Minato is capable of pretty well, whereas Minato will have virtually no knowledge on Itachi other than the fact that he's an Uchiha (as well as the general capabilities of Sharingan). Bloodlust means this fight is going to get insane right off the bat, with Itachi spamming MS and Minato evading with Hiraishin. However, Itachi's more detailed knowledge plays to his advantage; I see Minato's ignorance getting him caught in Tsukuyomi very early in the fight, and that's it for him. Itachi wins with low to moderate difficulty.

Before anyone starts bitching, consider how vital information is when dealing with both of these characters. It's like they say: "Knowledge is power."

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Scenario 2- No knowledge.
I suspect if Minato gets within range of Itachi, he'll be Genjutsu'd, and he'll need Hiraishin to free himself from Itachi's influence. This will give both opponents a chance to see eachother's primary abilities in action. However, eventually, I think Minato would manage to catch Itachi off-guard and win via BFR. Itachi would probably be so focused on trying to keep track of Hiraishin, that I can see Minato catching him off-guard with a space/time barrier and hurling him to regions unknown for a "ring-out", if you will. If for some reason Minato is unable to do that, then it would come down to whether or not he could successfully get around Itachi's defenses with Hiraishin or if Itachi could successfully anticipate and fend off such efforts. In that case, I can honestly see it going either way.

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Scenario 3- No knowledge. Bloodlusted. Standing 5 meters apart.
Itachi rapes with Genjutsu and a kunai. The conditions are ideal for him and he can make far better use of them than Minato can.

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This match's victor depends on whether or not you arbitrarily believe Minato is immune to genjutsu. In terms of intended level, they are about the same, Minato might even be higher, but feat-wise, in the Battledome, Itachi should win. Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o, genjutsu, and clones are far better tools than Hiraishin and Rasengan. Itachi is also more reflexive than Minato since Minato was compared to Raikage without his lightning armor.
Not that I disagree, but how does Itachi have better reflexes than Minato, who's explosion feat makes him the only hypersonic base character in the manga?

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Old 01-25-2011, 07:45 PM   #13
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Minato knows Uchiha techniques consumes lots of chakra , so he wait out Itachi with Hirashin and Itachi is forced to keep susanoo since its the only thing between Minato Hirashin to kill him.

in the end Itachi's chakra finish and he loses.

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@Outlaw John

We can argue about the subjectivism of individual feats, ranting about pointblank explosions or natural lightning, but the statement that A's reflexes surpass Minato's own is enough to satiate my opinion that Itachi has superior reflexes, through his feats with Sasuke, and through Sasuke's feats with A.

With that said, I do acknowledge that Minato is vastly superior with the shunshin jutsu from what has been shown, but I believe Itachi has experience fighting advanced shunshin users, like Sasuke or Shisui, and do not believe that to tip the scale either way, just my opinion.

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Minato knows Uchiha techniques consumes lots of chakra , so he wait out Itachi with Hirashin and Itachi is forced to keep susanoo since its the only thing between Minato Hirashin to kill him.

in the end Itachi's chakra finish and he loses.
OP says no knowledge in both scenarios

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Minato knows Uchiha techniques consumes lots of chakra , so he wait out Itachi with Hirashin and Itachi is forced to keep susanoo since its the only thing between Minato Hirashin to kill him.

in the end Itachi's chakra finish and he loses.
There was no Mangekyou users in Minato's lifetime(aside from Madara who we've yet to even see his Mangekyou outside of s flashbacks) so how would he know about them?

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We can argue about the subjectivism of individual feats, ranting about pointblank explosions or natural lightning, but the statement that A's reflexes surpass Minato's own is enough to satiate my opinion that Itachi has superior reflexes, through his feats with Sasuke, and through Sasuke's feats with A.

With that said, I do acknowledge that Minato is vastly superior with the shunshin jutsu from what has been shown, but I believe Itachi has experience fighting advanced shunshin users, like Sasuke or Shisui, and do not believe that to tip the scale either way, just my opinion.
I think you read the manga wrong o:
It was stated that A's speed was almost on yondaime's level :l

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Minato doesn't have knowledge, he loses.

He wont know what Tsukuyomi is, that being said he wont be so die hard on trying to avoid eye contact.

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We can argue about the subjectivism of individual feats, ranting about pointblank explosions or natural lightning, but the statement that A's reflexes surpass Minato's own is enough to satiate my opinion that Itachi has superior reflexes, through his feats with Sasuke, and through Sasuke's feats with A.
The problem with that is, Itachi's feat can be argued to be a 'trigger draw'. As much as I hate to say it, Sasuke gave him ample time to prepare to activate his technique. Another simple matter of fact is, if Itachi actually reacted to the lightning, then his reflexes are far above anything in not only the Narutoverse, but also the HST. If he actually did it, then he should be able to react anything and everything in either Naruto, One Piece or Bleach, and have ample time to react. But obviously, he can't, so we accept that he did a 'trigger draw'.

Minato's feat, on the other hand, can't be debated. He saw the explosion, teleported away from it, and then used Shunshin to get out of the way before it could do harm to him and his son. Clearly illustrated by the manga.

And you base that entire argument off of one arbitrary comment by a character who's likely never even met Minato, and said something impressive about his leader without likely having any scope of Minato's abilities.

The same statement is completely nill, seeing as Minato's feat easily puts him in a class of his own reaction wise.

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I think you read the manga wrong o:
It was stated that A's speed was almost on yondaime's level :l
Were you reading the printed manga, or some obscure internet translation? I assure you, it was stated that Minato was comparable to A without his lightning shroud. This is the English translation in the actual manga:

"Lord Raikage's nervous system and reaction speed are on par with Kohana's Yellow Flash. I'm surprised these folk are managing to keep up. But Lord Raikage can also amplify his ability further using Lightning Release armor...not even the sharigan will be able to keep up."

I bolded the words that I do not want you to miss. Of course, you can discredit the source as ignorant if you would like, but I do not, and I do not read the manga incorrectly, like you guessed.

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I'm not familiar with your opinions, but a portion of the forum does believe that Sage Naruto micromanaged actions while the Rasenshuriken was in transit, and they believe that the Rasenshuriken to be vastly hypersonic. In that case, reacting to lightning is not out of the question. I am unfamiliar with Bleach or One Piece so I cannot comment on that bit. There are other ridiculous arguments that I could make for Itachi's speed, by basing it off of Sasuke's escape from c0, for example, but I'm not going to because I prefer equalizing the feats with character statements.

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