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Old 10-31-2010, 02:24 AM   #1
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Default Sanji VS Robin, Franky, Brooke, Chopper, Nami, Usopp

All pre-skip, post-Marineford
No CIS/PIS/ties of friendship, etc
Dist: 20 m
Location: Desert

Sc 2 - replace Sanji with Zoro
Sc 3 - replace Sanji with Luffy
Sc 4 - replace Sanji with Luffy (G2 restricted)

state who wins and with what difficulty
and before we start, i'd like to remind everyone that Inuppe and Jigorou (Sanji and Zoro's zombies) were able to break through Robin's hand holds and pin her.
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Old 10-31-2010, 03:37 AM   #2
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Personally, i have trouble telling which side would win. The team has numbers and a variety of powers at their arsenal, but Sanji is faster and stronger than all of them. My instinct says Sanji, but I just have trouble with that for some reason.

As for Zoro, i think he would win easier than Sanji would. As a whole, i think he has more power and endurance.

Luffy's G2 would be able to pull off an easy win here. If he didn't have that though, i'd be uncertain. Hmm...i'll add that as a scenario.

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Nice match up but Ill go with Sanji.

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The majority of the Strawhats take all three scenarios.

In the first, Sanji simply loses. Robin will stall him, and then Nami or Franky can snipe him down, or Brook can simply slit his throat. Yes, Sanji can break Robin's grip— but he'll have to take a moment to deal with her, and that is enough for him to die.

In the second, it's roughly the same as before. Zoro loses against the teamwork and vast arsenal of skills, although he fares somewhat better than Sanji does.

Luffy is put to sleep by Brook and then quickly assassinated in his scenarios.

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Scenario 1 Sanji is going to lose because he cannot handle the combined strength of the middle and low tier SHs. The same can be said for Zoro and Luffy who will do a bit better and like Sanji will probably beat a few members up. Luffy without G2 is kind of a joke he will definitely lose. G3 is dangerous but the SH crew but they can dodge it or spread out. Usopp with prep gave base Luffy a hard time so its a stomp.

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Luffy without G2 is kind of a joke he will definitely lose
Luffy without G2 was going nearly toe-to-toe with base Lucci, who treated Franky like a joke and would blitz any of the rest in a split second. Usopp gave him trouble with prep, which does not exist in this topic.

I'm inclined to say that any of the monster trio would lose to the entire rest of the crew together, but saying that base Luffy is "kind of a joke" is absurd. Was he "kind of a joke" all the time before Enies Lobby, too, since he didn't have the Gears back then? And I don't think the weak or middle trio will be dodging G3 so easily, seeing how it knocked a Demon Guard straight on its ass.

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Luffy without G2 was going nearly toe-to-toe with base Lucci, who treated Franky like a joke and would blitz any of the rest in a split second. Usopp gave him trouble with prep, which does not exist in this topic.

I'm inclined to say that any of the monster trio would lose to the entire rest of the crew together, but saying that base Luffy is "kind of a joke" is absurd. Was he "kind of a joke" all the time before Enies Lobby, too, since he didn't have the Gears back then? And I don't think the weak or middle trio will be dodging G3 so easily, seeing how it knocked a Demon Guard straight on its ass.
Maybe that was a bit of an exaggeration but its clear that G2 is now Luffy's biggest trump card. Luffy was able to keep up with Lucci in base but Lucci was winning from what I remember until Luffy used G2 and overpowered him. I just don't think Luffy without G2 is as strong unrestricted Zoro and Sanji. Also the fact that Usopp was able to hold his own against base Luffy may have influenced my decision. (Although, that might just make Usopp with prep an impressive force)

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I just don't think Luffy without G2 is as strong unrestricted Zoro and Sanji.
I don't think so, either, but he's still a looong way above the other crewmembers.

Don't put too much weight into Usopp's fight with him. Usopp had hours of prep, was taking advantage of Luffy's weaknesses at every turn and fighting incredibly smart. Additionally, Luffy was in a horrible mental state at the time, while Usopp's determination was soaring sky-high. This topic is different, as it's basically a non-CIS or PIS-plagued brawl starting at 20m.

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I don't think so, either, but he's still a looong way above the other crewmembers.

Don't put too much weight into Usopp's fight with him. Usopp had hours of prep, was taking advantage of Luffy's weaknesses at every turn and fighting incredibly smart. Additionally, Luffy was in a horrible mental state at the time, while Usopp's determination was soaring sky-high. This topic is different, as it's basically a non-CIS or PIS-plagued brawl starting at 20m.
Ok then I guess we can agree on him defeating a few members but still losing. Honestly, I can see G2 Luffy winning actually because of his ability to speed blitz. Some of the members have shown poor durability feats and can be defeated in a few shots. Sanji and Zoro are not nearly fast enough to do the same.

I change my mind G2 Luffy has a slight chance of winning.

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Brooke is really the key in this for me. If he can put them to sleep than I think they win but if he can't every one of the monster trio could easily break through robins arms and then destroy the rest of the crew members with a quickness. This might change as we learn of the crews new abilities and if Chopper can turn Monster Chopper while remaining in control than it could change.

Luffy without gears probably wouldn't take it. Without gear second he won't be fast enough to take all the strawhats out while still avoiding their attacks. This is assuming that the rest of the strawhats have gone through around the same amount of progress as the monster trio.

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Umm, I think the strawhats win all scenarios if they have solid team work, which they do as can be seen by Oz and the Pacifista. It would be interesting to see which leader would emerge to lead the troops, seeing as Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are the obvious battle leaders. I am inclined to say Ussopp or maybe Franky.

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Old 10-31-2010, 10:19 PM   #12
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At the very least, i think G2 luffy would win with a speedblitz.
Sanji im not certain of, but i also feel like Zoro would win

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Without prep time, I think all scenarios go to one of the Monster Trio. The rest of the Strawhats simply have nothing to tag them with.

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IMO the Monster Trio wins their match up, they can take out key members immediately if they start out with a high end move. the only change Franky's team got is Scenario 4

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What about Sanji's strong refusal to hit women?

But besides that, I agree any of the monster trio can defeat the rest of the crew, Sanji would have trouble with Robin, Zoro with Franky, Luffy wouldn't really have an issue with anyone in the crew.

Also if they were going all out what about Monster Chopper?

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What about Sanji's strong refusal to hit women?

But besides that, I agree any of the monster trio can defeat the rest of the crew, Sanji would have trouble with Robin, Zoro with Franky, Luffy wouldn't really have an issue with anyone in the crew.

Also if they were going all out what about Monster Chopper?
Why should Zoro have trouble with Franky... he easily can cut steel

Same for Sanji with Robin? Hell the weak zombie shadows owned Robin and Chopper but he should have problems with her clutch?

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What about Sanji's strong refusal to hit women?

Also if they were going all out what about Monster Chopper?
As i said in my first post, CIS/ties of friendship, etc are off, so Sanji will feel no love for women in this battle.

Monster Chopper's power is debatable. Some people think he is as strong as the Monster Trio, but I think that even if he were, the trio could outrun him and drown him. Though i think that any one of the three could beat him w/o much difficulty.

Also, MC may be more a hazard than a help for his teammates anyway.

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Trio lose except Luffy.

Robin has several different grapples, the one's she used on Jigo and Inup were not her strongest. If she were to grapple them like she did with Moria things would be different.

The combined SH crew aren't to be underestimated, Ussop has an impact and can stall with long range attacks that pre-kabuto were somewhat detrimental to Luffy. Franky's and brooke while outclassed separately can do wonders when we have Ussop and Robin support. Nami creating illusions, fog, lighting, etc. and Chopper fucking shit up with Arm point are too much for Zoro and sanji to handle.

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luffy would win in his scenario.

sanji and zoro would lose.

sanji would lose because robin and nami would own him for obvious reasons.
zoro would lose... while he fighting the majority of them... robin just needs to do clutch. ; )

and u can't clutch luffy cause he rubber ;P

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Luffy will lose because he's very susceptible to Brook's musical attacks

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