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Old 09-01-2010, 05:03 AM   #1
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Gin says the only way to avoid hypnosis, is to touch the blade before Aizen activates it.
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Now we know that Ichigo has never seen Aizen's shikai before, so he is not under it's hypnosis yet. He has however, touched Aizen's blade.
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Gin never mentioned you had to touch the blade with your hand. Ichigo's abdomen made contact with the blade, giving him immunity.

So, do you agree or not? Vote and post your reasoning.

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Old 09-01-2010, 05:07 AM   #2
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You realize he has to keep touching it, right?

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Old 09-01-2010, 05:12 AM   #3
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You realize he has to keep touching it, right?
Gin didn't mention you needed to continue touching the blade through the activation of hypnosis, only before it has activated. Although, this is why I put "likely" in the topic title. It may be further explained that you do have to maintain constant contact with the blade.

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Old 09-01-2010, 05:14 AM   #4
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Gin didn't mention you needed to continue touching the blade through the activation of hypnosis, only before it has activated. Although, this is why I put "likely" in the topic title. It may be further explained that you do have to maintain constant contact with the blade.
I was actually wondering if Ichigo was permanently immune to it as well, though Gin's words weren't totally clear regarding just how long you're protected from it by touching the blade. Guess we'll (probably) find out pretty soon, but for now I'm going to go ahead and put my vote for Ichigo being immune.

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Right I may be way off here .

I always thought Gin was doing the same thing Yamamoto did . By being contact with the blade you can feel his Reiatsu so you know he HAS TO BE THERE . And he only discovered that weakness when Yamamoto did it . That's how I've been looking at it but since no one else see's it that way there must be something wrong with my theory .

btw OP going by your theory everyone that has been sliced by Aizen is now immune to KS .

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Old 09-01-2010, 05:25 AM   #6
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Right I may be way off here .

I always thought Gin was doing the same thing Yamamoto did . By being contact with the blade you can feel his Reiatsu so you know he HAS TO BE THERE . And he only discovered that weakness when Yamamoto did it . That's how I've been looking at it but since no one else see's it that way there must be something wrong with my theory .

btw OP going by your theory everyone that has been sliced by Aizen is now immune to KS .
To the bolded part, Gin said you must touch the blade before he activates it. Everyone in Soul Society, excluding Gin and Tousen, have seen him activate it. Meaning they are in it anytime Aizen chooses.

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Ah I see . Still I don't think he's immune . Oh and didn't he cut Renji too ?

Doesn't really matter if he is or not . Not like he can get Ichigo to stare at his sword in the middle of the fight .

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For some reason I think Ichigo is immune to that because he's got a cool guy inside him that will break the genjuts.....kyoka suigetsu.... lolwut...

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Right I may be way off here .

I always thought Gin was doing the same thing Yamamoto did . By being contact with the blade you can feel his Reiatsu so you know he HAS TO BE THERE . And he only discovered that weakness when Yamamoto did it . That's how I've been looking at it but since no one else see's it that way there must be something wrong with my theory .
That's what I thought too. I don't think you can achieve immunity from KS just by touching it before Shikai, it would be too easy.

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That's a good theory

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Right I may be way off here .

I always thought Gin was doing the same thing Yamamoto did . By being contact with the blade you can feel his Reiatsu so you know he HAS TO BE THERE . And he only discovered that weakness when Yamamoto did it . That's how I've been looking at it but since no one else see's it that way there must be something wrong with my theory .

btw OP going by your theory everyone that has been sliced by Aizen is now immune to KS .
http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-414-page-13.html

http://manga.animea.net/bleach-chapter-414-page-14.html

No, its a different flaw in the illusion, although somewhat similar to the one yama used. Gin discovered this a while ago as shown on these pages.

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Ah I see . Still I don't think he's immune . Oh and didn't he cut Renji too ?
He had already seen it, as all of Soul Society had seen it in the demonstration, which obviously Ichigo wasn't there for.

However I was thinking you need to remain in contact with the blade, not just a single touch. And I doubt Aizen would have been foolish enough to slash Ichigo (Whom he knew would be a threat in the future) when he had plenty of Kidou to use if one time contact truly was the weakness.

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Gin says the only way to avoid hypnosis, is to touch the blade before Aizen activates it.
Shown here:
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Now we know that Ichigo has never seen Aizen's shikai before, so he is not under it's hypnosis yet. He has however, touched Aizen's blade.
Seen here:
Spoiler:

Gin never mentioned you had to touch the blade with your hand. Ichigo's abdomen made contact with the blade, giving him immunity.

So, do you agree or not? Vote and post your reasoning.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-...0-page-23.html

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Hitsugaya was already under KS. How else would he have seen Aizen's fake corpse and not realize anything?

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Shinji, kyoraku, Soifon got sliced, therefore touching it. Are they immune?

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Shinji, kyoraku, Soifon got sliced, therefore touching it. Are they immune?
No. Because Gin says you have to touch the blade before your were ever under KS.

Did everyone just forgot that line?

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You are completely wrong. You have to be touching it and while you are touching it you are immune. As for ichigo it has said that he was immune to it becuase he never saw the release or the ceromony or whatever unahona said when Aizen was explaining it. So it was stated that ichigo is not under its illusions.

A while back though it was debated what Aizens actual release was. The only command we have heard him say was the shatter command. That seems to disengage it though. Some things are still unclear about his release and what has to actually be seen. But this is bleach and thinking too much is pointless. Ichigo is not under the illusions, i will just stop there.

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No, its a different flaw in the illusion, although somewhat similar to the one yama used. Gin discovered this a while ago as shown on these pages.
Gin didnt discover. He was told.

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Ichigo touched KS blade last chapter. I believe he's immune to it now. Check the pages.

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You have to keep touching it. If not why would Gin even bother holding onto Aizen's sword before he attacked him? I mean do you really think that was the first time Gin touched Aizen's sword?

But since it's Kubo, it's best to throw logic out the window...Take Tousen's Bankai for instance. As long as the sword is touching your body you regain your senses...

I guess we'll find out in due time.

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