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Old 01-19-2010, 07:32 AM   #1
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Blacks of West African decent have greater bone density, more lean muscle mass, more fast twitch muscle fibers, better eye sight, tougher skin, larger and stronger teeth, as well as more testosterone than whites. Does this make West African blacks physically superior to whites, hispanics or asians?

In the US, even though blacks make 12% of the population, they make 70% of all popular sports.

Even in places like Western Europe where the black population is relatively low, there are always a few black people who dominate in the more popular sports. They don't dominate by numbers, since there are not a lot of black people. But in England for example, even though blacks ara less than 3% of the population, 15% of them dominate in sports like soccer and rugby.


Oh and a little info on fast-twitch muscle fibers:

The study of biochemistry can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of muscular physiology and athletic performance. The fast twitch muscles rely mostly on glycogen and are better for sprints, jumping, or power-lifting. So a point guard who wins a slam dunk contest will have fast-twitch muscle. But such muscles are not built for endurance. So a point guard who can outsprint everyone in a basketball game will most likely not be able to finish the Hawaii Ironman Triathlon, the Leadville 100 miles run, or a speed ascent against Asian sherpas up Mt. Everest with an 80 lb backpack. Sprinters have explosive speed but not endurance.

By contrast, long-distance runners, triathletes, and Himalayan mountain climbers have slow twitch muscles that rely more on mitochondria rather than glycogen. The cells are more efficient for extremely long durations albeit at a slower pace. So the guy who won the Hawaii Ironman Triathlon most likely can't even dunk a ball or win a sprint at an SEC event. But he will win the marathon after the long swim and bike ride. I don't think a sprinter can even get to the finish line in the allotted time limit (~17 hours). They will just burn out.

In summary, slow twitch fibers are better for endurance but not sprints. Fast twitch fibers are great for explosive speed at short distances and durations. So Percy Harvin will play great in SEC football games. Golden Tate will outsprint many defenders in the Big 10 or Big East. But they most likely can't finish the Leadville 100 miles run in Colorado at an elevation above 10,000 feet. I doubt that they can even get to the 30 mile mark. Endurance events require different muscles that sprinters don't have. The converse is true as well.

So a young Carl Lewis can outrun a young Frank Shorter in 100 meters but not 26.2 miles.



Now I don't want this to turn into a thread about racism. I believe it's possible to discuss such issues without hate and mal-intent. Do you think we can do it?

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Time to start betting on every black athlete I see.

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Here is something I was told by a professor of a SoCal University. The reason why a lot of current black Americans are bigger than most other races and used in sports so much, is because they descended from slaves. Because of all the physical labor and stress that they had to endure, primarily the bigger ones survived.

It is not my personal theory, but it makes sense to me. If you look at the actual native Africans compared to the black males of the U.S. I think you will overall see a difference in physique.

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Here is something I was told by a professor of a SoCal University. The reason why a lot of current black Americans are bigger than most other races and used in sports so much, is because they descended from slaves. Because of all the physical labor and stress that they had to endure, primarily the bigger ones survived.

It is not my personal theory, but it makes sense to me. If you look at the actual native Africans compared to the black males of the U.S. I think you will overall see a difference in physique.
I disagree here. Part of the reasons Africans were used as slaves were because they were so strong. Africans have always had the reputation of being strong and athletically fit. Of course most of that has to do with the harsh environment in which they grow up in.

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I disagree here. Part of the reasons Africans were used as slaves were because they were so strong. Africans have always had the reputation of being strong and athletically fit. Of course most of that has to do with the harsh environment in which they grow up in.
White people can be strong and athletic too, but I don't remember seeing them reported as slaves throughout American history. If it makes a difference the professor that told me that theory was black himself.

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Blacks of West African decent have greater bone density, more lean muscle mass, more fast twitch muscle fibers, better eye sight, tougher skin, larger and stronger teeth, as well as more testosterone than whites. Does this make West African blacks physically superior to whites, hispanics or asians?
Black of West African descent here. WHAT.

Are you saying Jesus hates me and my entire family and while other blacks of west African Descent were getting 200000/20 god mode vision I was stuck with astigmatism and near sightedness?

EVERYONE in my family and extended family wears glasses. EVERYONE. At family reunions you'd mistake it for a negro glasses convention.

I can see where this thread is headed. Some ass hat down the line will claim "Hey since Blacks are inherently stronger then whites are inherently smarter" then a long winded debate on nurture vs nature and then some long ass posts about IQ with copy pasted shit from wiki and other places.

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I disagree here. Part of the reasons Africans were used as slaves were because they were so strong. Africans have always had the reputation of being strong and athletically fit. Of course most of that has to do with the harsh environment in which they grow up in.
Also can you find me a native African that looks like this.

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36) In all, 958 medals were handed out to athletes from 87 countries, the most medals and medal receipients in Olympic history.

Even though money and geopolitical factors must certainly drive the medal count down for Africa I can't say black people have a physical advantage.

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The study of biochemistry can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of muscular physiology and athletic performance. The fast twitch muscles rely mostly on glycogen and are better for sprints, jumping, or power-lifting. So a point guard who wins a slam dunk contest will have fast-twitch muscle. But such muscles are not built for endurance. So a point guard who can outsprint everyone in a basketball game will most likely not be able to finish the Hawaii Ironman Triathlon, the Leadville 100 miles run, or a speed ascent against Asian sherpas up Mt. Everest with an 80 lb backpack. Sprinters have explosive speed but not endurance.

By contrast, long-distance runners, triathletes, and Himalayan mountain climbers have slow twitch muscles that rely more on mitochondria rather than glycogen. The cells are more efficient for extremely long durations albeit at a slower pace. So the guy who won the Hawaii Ironman Triathlon most likely can't even dunk a ball or win a sprint at an SEC event. But he will win the marathon after the long swim and bike ride. I don't think a sprinter can even get to the finish line in the allotted time limit (~17 hours). They will just burn out.
i disagree with this part, and the reason is looking at kenyan long distance runners. If you measure their speed compared to sprinters, the speed is very similar. And on a 100 m basis, 100 m runners run similarly fast to 200m, 400m, 800m, 10000m , etc runners.

How does that jive?

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Also can you find me a native African that looks like this.

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disagree again. Africans are increasingly breaking into american sports. Football and basketball have more and more athletes from africa, playing at the most physically challenging positions. So shaq is big but he's not the only big guy out there.

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Even though money and geopolitical factors must certainly drive the medal count down for Africa I can't say black people have a physical advantage.
Wrong analogy; you're forgetting that a great deal of US athletes are also black. And NONE of the african countries can give enough support for their athletes like US, USSR or China, or European countries.




Anyway, I think they're slightly better physically in certain sports, like running and athletics (you can't see many black swimmers tho. Bone density, yeah) That may have something to do with the fact that people did not have mounts in Africa and had to run long distances, and a long tribal age demanded most population had to be warriors and hunters.

Also; even though I don't believe in such a thing, I'm sure a person honestly asking if Whites are more intelligent than Blacks based on IQ researchs, would be flamed to hell for being a racist. Hmm.

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Also; even though I don't believe in such a thing, I'm sure a person honestly asking if Whites are more intelligent than Blacks based on IQ researchs, would be flamed to hell for being a racist. Hmm.
musta happened in this forum like a milllion times. I'm 95% sure it will happen again in this thread

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It's a bit too early at this point to really say whether there's an IQ difference between whites and blacks, but the possibility is certainly out there considering that living in different environments guarantees that evolution will impact animals differently (humans are still just animals after all). Humans haven't separated long enough to become different species, but we have separated enough that there are clear genetic differences between races.

It also doesn't help that blacks were more or less bred and sought out for their strength during the days of slavery, so the idea of them being stronger on average seems to make sense. Still, it's a very touchy subject after all, and I can understand why people are reluctant to go into it.

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Not every black person has a "physical" advantage. I know some that are extremely skinny and small.

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Black of West African descent here. WHAT.

Are you saying Jesus hates me and my entire family and while other blacks of west African Descent were getting 200000/20 god mode vision I was stuck with astigmatism and near sightedness?

EVERYONE in my family and extended family wears glasses. EVERYONE. At family reunions you'd mistake it for a negro glasses convention.

I can see where this thread is headed. Some ass hat down the line will claim "Hey since Blacks are inherently stronger then whites are inherently smarter" then a long winded debate on nurture vs nature and then some long ass posts about IQ with copy pasted shit from wiki and other places.
Probably because of TV or computer, or just plain old age. OP isn't talking about Africans anyway, he's talking about African descendants in the Americas.

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In general they do to a degree. It's obviously not super pronounced though.

The reason is pretty logical. Selective breeding during slavery.

You'll note though that as time goes on, that advantage will disappear. Hell, it's already starting to disappear.

There's nothing racist about saying this, it's just science. Also, the blacks aren't the only ones who have been subject to selective breeding in the past, their selective breeding just went on longer than other instances of it.

But yeah, each generation will become more and more normalised with other racial groups since no longer are the blacks subjected to selective breeding.

Also, regarding the Africans in Africa itself. That's largely due to living conditions. Look at the Natives in Canada, they also are generally physically superior to other racial groups, that's not due to selective breeding but rather environmental factors.

You'll see similar examples in the aboriginals in Australia and also natives in South America. That's nature instead of genetics and if you were raised in that environment you also would have those physical advantages.

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Another reason to wish I was black. As if a bigger penis and not being a pale goblin wasn't enough.

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Back when basketball was dominated by Jews, weren't there similar "scientific theories" about how the Jew's keen, sneaky mind facillitated their performance in the sport?

In other words, regardless of the science or lack thereof, the speculation is merely a pretense for innuendo. The last thing I need is some bucktoothed, inbred hick trying to convince me, "Hey, now, blacks is good at sports and whites is good at thinking!" Fuck you.

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