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Old 09-23-2009, 05:36 PM   #1
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I was wondering if any of you were familiar with this. I saw a thing on the History channel about a farmer that found a land claim in America that is dated 1362, and is supposedly from the Knights Templar. They continued to show other evidence that points to the Templar being here, and even Christopher Columbus ties into the Templar. I hope someone else saw this so they know what I am talking about. But for anyone who has heard the theory before what do you think? People who never heard of it, do you think its possible the Knights Templar found America over 100 years before Columbus.

Also they claim that the Freemasons are decedents from the Templar and by creating America they got their new Jerusalem.

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Old 09-23-2009, 05:37 PM   #2
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Knights Templar can go suck a dick.

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Old 09-24-2009, 01:08 AM   #3
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Utter bullshit on the first part, the reason why America was discovered was first by the vikings, because they had no clue how big the ocean was and then by Columbus, because he was a retard and if it weren't for America him and his entire crew would've starved to death long before reaching India.

The second part is even more retarded. Where do you think the name "freemasons" comes from? Correct, they were once masons. The reason why they were so secretive was because masonry is really not a very complicated job and they had to keep what little secrets they had to themselves. It's really fucking hard to believe that the descendents of knights would become lowly masons.

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Old 09-24-2009, 01:17 AM   #4
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:17 AM   #5
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Vikings finding AMerica sounds ... totally weird considering the small size of their ships...

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The second part is even more retarded. Where do you think the name "freemasons" comes from? Correct, they were once masons. The reason why they were so secretive was because masonry is really not a very complicated job and they had to keep what little secrets they had to themselves. It's really fucking hard to believe that the descendents of knights would become lowly masons.
The Knights Templar are responsible for building most of the Gothic Cathedrals and played a critical role in importing what we know of as European Architecture. Not only is it not much of stretch for Templar descendants to have had something to do with the Freemasons.

In case if even if it is a myth, it is a myth that has been perpetrated for centuries and even the original free masons themselves claimed that we're descended from the Knights Templar.

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Old 09-24-2009, 01:29 AM   #7
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Vikings finding AMerica sounds ... totally weird considering the small size of their ships...
Still it is regarded as fact by most of the scientific community. Sine American species' closest genetic relatives are their northern-European counterparts.

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The Knights Templar are responsible for building most of the Gothic Cathedrals and played a critical role in importing what we know of as European Architecture. Not only is it not much of stretch for Templar descendants to have had something to do with the Freemasons.

In case if even if it is a myth, it is a myth that has been perpetrated for centuries and even the original free masons themselves claimed that we're descended from the Knights Templar.
Yes, yes it is a huge stretch of the imagination. They were frickin knights, not some random guys who went on the crusades for lulz and loot. Knights do not become masons, it's ridiculous to assume anything of that kind.

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Vikings did indeed find America hundreds of years before Columbus. The thing about Viking ships is despite the fact that they were small they were very sea worthy and could handle themselves in some of the roughest seas on earth. The way the Vikings made it to America was by going to Iceland, and then Greenland, and then America. Taking that route the were never more than 200 miles from land at any time so each part of the trip took only a few weeks.

Columbus on the other hand took the Long way To America and approached by the equator were the earth is wider and he made less latitudinal progress. The vikings on the other hand took the fastest route by comparison and sailed west just under the arctic circle.

In the 1960s a 1000 year old Viking Settlement was found in Canada. The myth that Columbus discovered America first has only bee continued over the years because people

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Vikings finding AMerica sounds ... totally weird considering the small size of their ships...
Vikings sailed from Scandinavia all the way to the middle east and pillaged everything in between...in those tiny boats.


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Yes, yes it is a huge stretch of the imagination. They were frickin knights, not some random guys who went on the crusades for lulz and loot. Knights do not become masons, it's ridiculous to assume anything of that kind.
They weren't just knights, they were Europe's first bankers. They also handled a lot of the trade between the Asia and Europe and controlled huge tracks of land, including most of Spain. At the time of their disbandment they also had the largest fleet of ships in Europe at the time, all of which disappeared from historical record along with the knights who left on them when the Templars disbanded.

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Well it is generally accepted that they landed along in L'Anse aux Meadows on the tip of Newfoundland.

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That is the settlement we can confirm anyways. It is very likely they explored beyond that.

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They weren't just knights, they were Europe's first bankers. They also handled a lot of the trade between the Asia and Europe and controlled huge tracks of land, including most of Spain. At the time of their disbandment they also had the largest fleet of ships in Europe at the time, all of which disappeared from historical record along with the knights who left on them when the Templars disbanded.
"Disband" is a nice way of putting it. They were hunted down and killed. And again, there is no reason for formerly popular nobles who many people owed favors to to become masons. It's ludicrous and not even close to plausible.

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Knights Templar may have contracted masons, organized and lead masons, but masons themselves? Unlikely. After all, they're knights. If they become masons, and stop being knights... they're not the Knights Templar anymore.

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And again, there is no reason for formerly popular nobles who many people owed favors to to become masons. It's ludicrous and not even close to plausible.
It's not as if the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon were the Three Musketeers. The Knights Templar were more or less the world's first Multi-national corporation. Non-combatant members of the Order managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Europe and the Middle East, and innovated financial techniques that were an early form of banking, and building many fortifications across Europe and the Holy Land.

You know. Building. Fortifications. Like, the stoney-castley kind? Made of stone.
Who builds things? Especially stone things? You could say it was called Masonry... I wonder who did masonry?Masons.

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Knights Templar may have contracted masons, organized and lead masons, but masons themselves? Unlikely. After all, they're knights. If they become masons, and stop being knights... they're not the Knights Templar anymore.
They were never "just" Knights. Or just Nobles for that matter. They were monks, priests, sailors, craftsmen, bankers, bodyguards, and even masons. The Templar Knights were an absolutely HUGE organization. Not just knights.


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whats the disdain for masons in here? A craft is a craft and a trade is a trade, especially in those medieval times or whatever age they were in when you were either working or a bum.

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It's not as if the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon were the Three Musketeers. The Knights Templar were more or less the world's first Multi-national corporation. Non-combatant members of the Order managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Europe and the Middle East, and innovated financial techniques that were an early form of banking, and building many fortifications across Europe and the Holy Land.

You know. Building. Fortifications. Like, the stoney-castley kind? Made of stone.
Who builds things? Especially stone things? You could say it was called Masonry... I wonder who did masonry?Masons.
So my father is a freemason because he owns a house? Again, there is no historical or logical connection between freemasons and templars.

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whats the disdain for masons in here? A craft is a craft and a trade is a trade, especially in those medieval times or whatever age they were in when you were either working or a bum.
There's no disdain. It's just that in that 700 years ago it was more likely for pigs to fly than for a noble to become a mason.

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"Disband" is a nice way of putting it. They were hunted down and killed. And again, there is no reason for formerly popular nobles who many people owed favors to to become masons. It's ludicrous and not even close to plausible.
I used the word Disband because its more accurate to than saying they were hunted down and killed. Only to a few of top leaders were actually killed. More than 90% of the order survived in some form or another. In Portugal they changed their name to the Knights of Christ. Former Knights Templar went to Scottland were they joined Robert the Bruce and fought off the British.

1,000 Peasants in Switzerland, which prior to this disbanding of the Knights Templar had no government or military, suddenly banded together and defeated an army of 20,000 knights sent to secure the the area to form a trade route and went on to create the most secretive banking institution in the world, the Swiss bank.

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whats the disdain for masons in here? A craft is a craft and a trade is a trade, especially in those medieval times or whatever age they were in when you were either working or a bum.
We're talking about the "Freemasons" They're a well documented secret society that from inception claimed that they had ties to the Knights Templar.

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So my father is a freemason because he owns a house? Again, there is no historical or logical connection between freemasons and templars.

There's no disdain. It's just that in that 700 years ago it was more likely for pigs to fly than for a noble to become a mason.
The Freemason's were never strictly masons. The point of the organization was that they were holding secret meetings with the intent of discussing revolutionary ideals under the guise of a medieval guild.

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The Templar weren't killed off, they rid themselves of their status after the slaughter and conducted themselves as lowly masons.

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Doesn't change the fact that the Vikings got there first .

How solid was this guy's evidence anyway?

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