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Old 08-29-2009, 11:54 AM   #1
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Default Tsunade vs. Kabuto

Okay, I want to settle this once and for all. This is a fair fight between the two. No restrictions or handicaps on either.

Location: Sannin battlefield.

Distance: Thirty five meters.

State of mind: In character.

Knowledge: Manga.

Time: Around when Kabuto fought Naruto and crew at the bridge. So, he does not have Orochimaru, and Tsunade does not have her blood-o-phobia.

Restrictions: None.

I want to see who y'all think would win in an actually fair fight between the two. Both of them going all out.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:17 PM   #2
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Joke? Tsunade rapestomps. I'll edit this post a little later with full details.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:18 PM   #3
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Joke? Tsunade rapestomps. I'll edit this post a little later with full details.
Not a joke. It's just that everyone keeps referencing Tsunade's showdown with Kabuto to gimp her. I want to make it clear that, had things been fair, she would have eaten him alive.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:23 PM   #4
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She did say that Kabuto's talents surpassed hers in her prime.

Although I agree, Kabuto would have lost in a fair fight.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:28 PM   #5
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Yeah, but they're just stupid and not using logic. Anybody and everybody knows she will beat Kabuto, going full out is a rapestomp. Those who deny it are just denying a fact.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:38 PM   #6
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I still want to know why Tsunade bothered chasing Kabuto for miles when she could have simply opened with Katsuyu and finished him with Acid Slime.

PnJ is a bitch.

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Old 08-29-2009, 12:58 PM   #7
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I still want to know why Tsunade bothered chasing Kabuto for miles when she could have simply opened with Katsuyu and finished him with Acid Slime.

PnJ is a bitch.
It's not really PnJ, it's just her state of mind wasn't really that of a rational fighter. She was kinda like a Bijuu, an angry beast bent on destruction and killing her targets. It wasn't until she started calming down that she started using jutsu. Even her strength didn't seem up to par compared to when she flung Gamabunta's sword. Heck, her craters didn't seem nearly as big as even Sakura's. So I think her emotional state was holding her back. Especially when it's been shown that chakra fluctuates in response to emotions(I think Karin sensed things based on changes in emotions in the past), which would therefore affect chakra control and for an attack that works based on precise chakra control, berserker mode is probably the last thing she needs.

Plus especially with Katsuyu, she'd need to use blood from her thumbs, and she had the whole phobia at that point of blood.

Which bridge is the the timeframe referring to? When he was supposed to be Sasori's spy? Giving 3 years of training to someone who's gotten so far at such a young age(to Kakashi's level while still like 9 years younger) like Kabuto is a long time to develop. So he could give her a run for her money, he just wouldn't win.

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Old 08-29-2009, 01:09 PM   #8
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It's not really PnJ, it's just her state of mind wasn't really that of a rational fighter. She was kinda like a Bijuu, an angry beast bent on destruction and killing her targets. It wasn't until she started calming down that she started using jutsu. Even her strength didn't seem up to par compared to when she flung Gamabunta's sword. Heck, her craters didn't seem nearly as big as even Sakura's. So I think her emotional state was holding her back. Especially when it's been shown that chakra fluctuates in response to emotions(I think Karin sensed things based on changes in emotions in the past), which would therefore affect chakra control and for an attack that works based on precise chakra control, berserker mode is probably the last thing she needs.

Plus especially with Katsuyu, she'd need to use blood from her thumbs, and she had the whole phobia at that point of blood.

Which bridge is the the timeframe referring to? When he was supposed to be Sasori's spy? Giving 3 years of training to someone who's gotten so far at such a young age(to Kakashi's level while still like 9 years younger) like Kabuto is a long time to develop. So he could give her a run for her money, he just wouldn't win.
@Katsuyu: I didn't think her phobia was so bad that she couldn't bleed a little to summon Katsuyu.

@Time: Yeah, it's Shippuden Kabuto.

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Old 08-29-2009, 01:30 PM   #9
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tsunade ftw


summons could keep him occupied while she could sneak up on him or something


they both have equal medical ninjutsu but yea tsunade has that along with summons, and super strength

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Old 08-29-2009, 01:35 PM   #10
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tsunade ftw


summons could keep him occupied while she could sneak up on him or something


they both have equal medical ninjutsu but yea tsunade has that along with summons, and super strength
Wasn't it said that Tsunade's medical prowess was unparalleled?

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Old 08-29-2009, 01:54 PM   #11
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She did say that Kabuto's talents surpassed hers in her prime.
No, she said his senses and jutsu sharpness (which is only two aspects) of medical ninjutsu may have surpassed hers in her prime. This by no means indicates he's a better medic or a better fighter. Not to mention she was out of battle so long, who's to say her perception of how great one's skills are have dulled over time?

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Although I agree, Kabuto would have lost in a fair fight.
Kabuto would've been utterly destroyed.

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I still want to know why Tsunade bothered chasing Kabuto for miles when she could have simply opened with Katsuyu and finished him with Acid Slime.

PnJ is a bitch.
Her hemophobia prevented her from summong Katsuyu, since blood is a requirement to summon.

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It's not really PnJ, it's just her state of mind wasn't really that of a rational fighter. She was kinda like a Bijuu, an angry beast bent on destruction and killing her targets. It wasn't until she started calming down that she started using jutsu. Even her strength didn't seem up to par compared to when she flung Gamabunta's sword. Heck, her craters didn't seem nearly as big as even Sakura's. So I think her emotional state was holding her back. Especially when it's been shown that chakra fluctuates in response to emotions(I think Karin sensed things based on changes in emotions in the past), which would therefore affect chakra control and for an attack that works based on precise chakra control, berserker mode is probably the last thing she needs.

Plus especially with Katsuyu, she'd need to use blood from her thumbs, and she had the whole phobia at that point of blood.

Which bridge is the the timeframe referring to? When he was supposed to be Sasori's spy? Giving 3 years of training to someone who's gotten so far at such a young age(to Kakashi's level while still like 9 years younger) like Kabuto is a long time to develop. So he could give her a run for her money, he just wouldn't win.
I noticed that too. With a single kick she destroyed the entire area of where they were to do the deal, but later on (which I can only chalk down to her smashing everything in her path while chasing them, and thus severely deplete her chakra and stamina before Kabuto even tried to engage her) her destruction wasn't as large as it was before. Presumably the chakra she regained from Souzou Saisei allowed her to exponentially increase her strength, and thus pull off the Gamabunta dagger trick.

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tsunade ftw


summons could keep him occupied while she could sneak up on him or something


they both have equal medical ninjutsu but yea tsunade has that along with summons, and super strength
Tsunade's medical ninjutsu >>>>>> Kabuto. Just coupled with her top-notch evasive manuevers, her brute strength, her incredible durability and Katsuyu, this is a rapestomp of epic proportions.

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Wasn't it said that Tsunade's medical prowess was unparalleled?
Tsunade's medical ninjutsu is better than Kabuto's. Case and point when Orochimaru sought her out to heal his arms, instead of using Kabuto, and further reinforced by statements from Jiraiya and Kabuto himself.

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Old 08-29-2009, 02:11 PM   #12
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I'm ignoring summoning Katsuyu(or any others she might have) because that would be overkill.
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Tsunade's medical ninjutsu >>>>>> Kabuto. Just coupled with her top-notch evasive manuevers, her brute strength, her incredible durability and Katsuyu, this is a rapestomp of epic proportions.
Tsunade's medical jutsu should be better, but not that significantly, and it seems like Kabuto has some creative ideas for using medical jutsu in battle.
Both of them should also have good evasive manuevers with Kabuto also being a trained medic nin, experience under Orochimaru as a spy, and youthful agility on his side, but Tsunade having more experience in wars and training.
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I think it's a matter of Kabuto having more talent than Tsunade, but less ability, which Tsunade has through a combination of talent and decades of experience, which Kabuto lacks. It's kinda like Naruto and Kakashi. Naruto has the talent to learn things like FRS through his KB training, but Kakashi has had years of experience in war, copying jutsus, learning strategy, etc.

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I'm ignoring summoning Katsuyu(or any others she might have) because that would be overkill.

Tsunade's medical jutsu should be better, but not that significantly, and it seems like Kabuto has some creative ideas for using medical jutsu in battle.
Both of them should also have good evasive manuevers with Kabuto also being a trained medic nin, experience under Orochimaru as a spy, and youthful agility on his side, but Tsunade having more experience in wars and training.
I disagree with the first part. Tsunade's medical ninjutsu is extremely advanced. Not to mention (by the Databook, if you'll accept that source) that she's touched upon the very limits of medicine. She is capable of healing shinobi who are too far damaged to be healed by other shinobi, and do it with relative ease. Not to mention she's conquered the belief that regrowing an organ was impossible. By the time Kabuto's her age (should he live that long), he'll have no doubt passed her. But going from scratch to the very limits of it, I'd say she's far past Kabuto. Not to mention even with all those years she quit medical ninjutsu, she was still the top medic. And even was able to heal the induced arrhythmia that Kabuto gave Naruto, even though Kabuto expressly believed no one could do so. But Kabuto is quite creative, that's true. And the youthful agility and being a spy are fair points as well.

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I think it's a matter of Kabuto having more talent than Tsunade, but less ability, which Tsunade has through a combination of talent and decades of experience, which Kabuto lacks. It's kinda like Naruto and Kakashi. Naruto has the talent to learn things like FRS through his KB training, but Kakashi has had years of experience in war, copying jutsus, learning strategy, etc.
Granted.

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Depends on knowledge of chakra scalpel. Does she have it?

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Depends on knowledge of chakra scalpel. Does she have it?
Knowledge of his chakra scalpels? Or knowledge of how to use the technique itself?

As soon as Kabuto had tired out Tsunade, he quickly executed the Shosen no Jutsu (Mystical Palm Technique) right after eating a soldier pill. Seeing as this is IC, I'd think she'd see him do it like in the manga.

Seeing as she's the medical mistress of the Narutoverse, I'd like to think so. Not to mention she implied that unlike Kabuto, she could hit arteries in mid-battle.

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