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Old 08-25-2009, 12:00 PM   #1
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This thread is about the elements which were introduced in Naruto and about the actual history of Kishimoto's thoughts. I'll start with what Yamato taught us.

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These elements are Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water

Now this specific diagramm that Kishi uses is a reference to Feng Shui:

Elemental Circle:


On the outside we have a weaker circle. (For example: Wood is weaker than fire)

On the inside we have a star. This star is a stronger circle. (For example: Fire is stronger than metall)

As you will have noticed, metall and wood aren't Naruto-elements, although referenced by Kishi in Yamato and the Sandaime Kazekage.

To develop this circle into the Naruto-element-circle we exchange Metal by Wind and Wood by Lightning.

Elemental Circle:


The relationship that Kishimoto presents to us is that of the star in the middle.

Elemental Circle:
Fire > Wind
Wind > Lightning
Lightning > Earth
Earth > Water
Water
> Fire
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Now on the outside we gain another relationship between the elements. The "weaker"-circle. Fire is defeated, not only by water, but also by earth. If you throw a pile of earth onto a fire then that does the job as well.

So in essense...

Elemental Circle:
Fire > Wind + Lightning
Wind > Lighting + Earth
Lighting > Earth + Water
Earth > Water + Fire
Water > Fire + Wind
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.


This is referenced in the manga a couple times, very discretely. Every time I could find was with Sasuke who began noticing this.

Manga Page:


I want to emphasize this:

Picture:


Fire is useless against Sand and Sand is an Earth jutsu. That can't be explained by Kishimoto's elemental circle but by the one we developed here.

And here we have Sasuke again, fighting against Killerbee.

Manga Page:


Do you notice how the water keeps Chidori running on Killerbee although Sasuke is already gone? As expected water transfers Chidori and lightning-based jutsus. Again that shouldn't happen, according to the old elemental circle.

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Old 08-25-2009, 12:15 PM   #2
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Why did you say, again, at the end of your post when that was your first reference to the fact that it shouldn't happen... Buuut, whose to say the elements you replaced have to be in that order in the circle?

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this thread looks like it was hard work. but u did all dat to tell us dat water shouldn't transfer lightning base attack. when its scientifically proven that it does.

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this thread looks like it was hard work. but u did all dat to tell us dat water shouldn't transfer lightning base attack. when its scientifically proven that it does.
Science doesn't matter in Naruto... I have never seen wind defeat lightning or water defeat wind. I'm predicting all of the other relations as well.

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Science doesn't, no, but common sense does...

Wind feeds fire;
Water puts out fire;
Earth absorbs water;
Water conducts lightning;

Kishimoto isn't THAT stupid.

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I think this is a good theory. Could very possibly be true.

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Science doesn't, no, but common sense does...

Wind feeds fire;
Water puts out fire;
Earth absorbs water;
Water conducts lightning;

Kishimoto isn't THAT stupid.
wind eliminates lightning?

but I didn't assume that I should post this on NF

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but I didn't assume that I should post this on NF
Sometimes you create illogical things to better suit the story. Ransengan is being hyped as a superior jutsu to Chidori, remember, so it makes sense that it'd be made from a superior element to boot. Since it's obvious Ransengan was always going to be Naruto's signature jutsu and Chidori was always going to be Sasuke's, it makes sense that Kishimoto decided early on to replace Metal with Lightning and make it inferior to Wind.

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If this is true maybe Sasuke can win the next fight against Raikage by using his fire techniques.

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One more example to bolster your claim that suiton is greater than fuuton:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/12/

As you can see, gamabunta uses a suiton attack to stop shukaku's fuuton projectile

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One more example to bolster your claim that suiton is greater than fuuton:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/135/12/

As you can see, gamabunta uses a suiton attack to stop shukaku's fuuton projectile
with this^^ i think that's just a matter of to bullets being shot at one another. But if it is about the element, they just hit each other and break apart, how does that prove that gamabunta's are better? Along with the fact that one of shukakus bullets hits him.

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with this^^ i think that's just a matter of to bullets being shot at one another. But if it is about the element, they just hit each other and break apart, how does that prove that gamabunta's are better? Along with the fact that one of shukakus bullets hits him.
The Sasuke/Deidara fight clearly demonstrates and the databook emphatically states that when two elements collide the superior element wins so if Gamabuntan had used a raiton based bullet, shukaku's would have touched him. As for why one of shukaku's bullet hit him anyways, it is pretty simple, there were many of them and gamabuta did not fire back enough bullets to blunt all of them. Deidara's bombs were could never be blunted by gamabunta's water projectiles!

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