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Old 07-14-2009, 10:35 PM   #1
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Many people are confused about the mangekyo Sharingan’s Power and the Rinnegan. So to provide the true meaning of each technique;
I decided to use the data book as evidence of which one is actually stronger. Before I start my 1,500 word essay on exactly why the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is stronger, I just want to say no real evidence or statistic shows that Nagato’s Rinnegan was more powerful than Madara’s Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. In existence, I am about to prove just the opposite because it failed in every aspect to measure up to the true powers of the Ultimate Mangekyo. People who are so obsessed to defend the rinnegan with out considering and neglecting the fact it will only lead to their doom. The rinnegan and the Sharingan thread was based on arguments on two things optimism and pessimism. Where shall I begin? The Mangekyo Sharingan.
Before I decided to post this, I did at least enough research and investigation to make sure the facts are correct:

http://slumz.boxden.com/f429/naruto-...dates-1247740/

http://lakshtech.wordpress.com/2009/...you-sharingan/


I’ll give you the direct information on what it says about the Mangekyo.


Here is what the data book says about the Mangekyo Sharingan:

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The Mangekyou Sharingan, a rarity even throughout the Uchiha's history. The power it hides is frightening, thus so are the side-effects. As the caster keeps on using it, it takes away their eyesight. For those who master this powerful doujutsu, the apprehension of suddenly going blind is unfathomable. There is only one way to avoid the blindness, which is to steal a new Mangekyou Sharingan from a member of the clan... The vile method employed by Madara. The Mangekyou Sharingan; an accursed doujutsu that cannot go without victims.

This means that Madara is the only current user of the Eternal Mangekyo which makes it rare. Yes, to define rare its something that not much of it exist. The Rinnegan was possessed by two people: The Rikudou Sennin and Nagato. The Eternal Mangekyo was possessed by one user: Madara. Many years ago, he was the first to activate the Mangekyo. However, I formally believe that the Uchiha’s ways of gaining power is evil due to spectral evidence that you have to kill a friend (witch is not usually the case of gaining it) in order to wield it. The current status of wielding the EMS is by stealing another Uchiha’s eyes. In Madara’s case, he wants world domination and gain the Ultimate EMS.

The first user to Activate it
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Using his brother's eyes, Madara obtained an eternal Mangekyou Sharingan
He has hasn't done anything remarkable, but has pointlessly shown himself in all kinds of situations. Few are those who know the scope of his powers, or the face that lies behind his mask. Uchiha Madara: that is Tobi's true name. Madara is supposed to have met his demise in the Valley of the End, so why does he live, and what does he want to accomplish? That will become clear when he takes off his mask, and Madara sets his ambitions in motion.
Its obvious that the Mangekyou Sharingan is the greatest weapon at Madara's disposal. The eternal power he got a hold of by sacrificing his little brother's eyesight, the one that controls the impossible even the Nine-Tailed Fox. But wherever an Akatsuki member is present, Madara doesn't use Mangekyou Sharingan to conceal his identity.

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No one has a clue as to what Madara's powers are. Even before Akatsuki members, he never exerted them. In his rare battle happenstances, jutsu hardly leave any traces upon him. His ability lets attacks fail to connect without exception, keeps his body unscathed after Itachi's Amaterasu, and apparently transcends space so he can vanish into thin air. And here is the biggest question of all: why is Madara alive? Contemporary to Konoha's creation, the man supposed to have died at the Valley of the End lives to this day, his appearance unchanged. The jutsu that kept Madara alive, deceiving even Hashirama, the First Hokage, is known to Madara and him alone
I must emphasize that the data book has admitted about Madara’s powers are mysterious. Which can means four things. For an extremely high level ninja to be able evade any attack such as the Amaterasu or the chidori is extremely powerful compared to the rinnegan. For him to be able live long enough in his current time means his EMS has the ability to grant the user everlasting life. The Data book mentions that he deceived Hashirama. How ironic, this clarifies the purpose behind his powers and his possible weakness which could be the moon. For clarities sake; I want to review the powers between a normal Sharingan and the Mangekygo Sharingan. The Sharingan is a dojustu; a lower level than the Rinnegan. The Sharingan, is only first unlocked under some stressful or emotional condition, after which, though, the Sharingan may be used freely. When the Sharingan is first activated by a user, through continued use and training, evolves it further the only level up from the Sharingan is the Mangekyo Sharingan, which is gained by the emotional stress stemming from the loss of someone close to the user.
The Sharingan's first ability is to memorize any technique that it witnesses, apart from other techniques. It can memorize ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu . This incredible power allows the user to use the techniques as his own and then create their own new techniques. the necessary skill or ability to perform them. The Sharingan's second ability is to recognize genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as minent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements or mimic something like pencil movements. The sharingan can also tell if a person is under a genjutsu.
The Mangekyo Sharingan is far more powerful.heightened form of Sharingan. The Mangekyo Sharingan is distinguished from a normal Sharingan through its appearance, which changes the form of the tomoe seal. Unlike in the case of the Sharingan, the appearance of the Mangekyo Sharingan differs from user to user; o acquire the Mangekyo Sharingan, someone close to a Sharingan user must die and the emotion of the loss is responsible for its unlocking. To expedite this occurrence, most Uchiha throughout history have killed their closest friends or family members in order to meet this criteria. The Mangekyo Sharingan can get access to powerful and forbidden techniques. Both of witch is not yet known with Madara. It is unclear if these techniques are unique among individuals; No two Mangekyo Sharingan users have been seen using the same jutsu, but Madara appears knowledgeable of all Mangekyo Sharingan techniques. The only known exception to this is Amaterasu, which Itachi implants in Sasuke's eyes before dying. Over time, use of the Mangekyo Sharingan deteriorates the user's eyesight to the point of blindness. Only by taking and transplanting the eyes of one's sibling (who also wields the Mangekyo Sharingan) can the vision be restored, a process that results in the creation of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Not only does this process restore one's eyesight, but it also gives the person greater power. This great power is currently unknown.
For Madara to hide in Akatsuki’s shadows could mean he needs Sasuke which is his true motive to unlock the mysteries of his powers; as he mentioned earlier he was happy to win over Sasuke. All that Madara ever wanted was justice for his clan, and nothing else. He only eneded the battles against the Senju clan, because it was for the clan rather him giving in, the Senju clan wanted it to end because their getting betten by the Uchihas. Madara didn't realize his clan was already tired of fighting. After Madara assaulted Konoha, with the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his command, it only worsened the consequences for the Uchihas for they were known of their technique by the Senjus. Anyways, The Uchiha clan was put under surveillance and forced into confinement. Then Madara left in despair with the final attempt to wipe out the Kohnoha only to be stopped by Itachi. I want to theorize for a minute that he only attacked his clan because Sasuke's always been reflected in Madara's eyes. His feelings of affection towards him is a mystery because of his interest in a useful pawn. Madara was waiting for Sasuke's to grow and has pressed it along. Sasuke grew up to his liking, and Itachi is dead. Only a few bijuu remain to be captured. There is nothing left to hinder his ambitions, everything has been carried out according to plan. His plan involves the “Eye of moon Plan” Which will overrule the Rinnegan.

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Old 07-14-2009, 10:35 PM   #2
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Continued

The Rinnegan

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The shinobi in which the Rikudou eyes reside, a "god" born form a cycle of strife.Akatsuki, the group that secretly plots to hunt the Jinchuuriki and capture the Bijuu!! Their leader is none other than Pain. In pondering his mysterious true identity, that which serves as a hint is the Rinnegan appearing in his eyes. What will this "god", describing himself as having "attained growth through pain", bring to the world? Will it be "peace", or will it be "destruction"!? Personality: Emotionless. The expressions of Pain are always devoid of life. One is incapable of finding any form of emotion in his face.
Countless mysteries maintain the "undefeated" status of this god. Entry 1: Rinnegan The Rinnegan", the doujutsu (eye technique) said to have been the origin of ninjutsu. Presently, not even a portion of the abilities generated through this most supreme of doujutsu, possesed by Pain, is certain. What is obvious, however, is that the Rinnegan serves as a great hint in identifying who or what Pain truly is. In the past, one of the Sannin, Jiraiya, raised and mentored a young boy named Nagato; the reason being that this boy too was in possession of the Rinnegan. Currently, it is not reasonable to assume that he and Pain are indeed one in the same. Still, judging from Pain's conversation with Jiraiya, and given that Konan is by Pain's side, at the absolute least it is certain that there is some form of connection between Nagato and Pain. Nagato is reported to have wielded all five basic elements. Is this the power of the Rinnegan? Gifted with the capacity to become versed in all major ninjutsu... at only ten years of age he mastered countless jutsu of all kinds Caption Pointing Pain: One of the animals summoned by Pain. A common feature is to be noted between the eyes of Pain and his summons. Specifically, all of their eyes exhibit the same pattern of concentric circles.ain Rikudou (The Six Paths of Pain)Text Body: That which was summoned by Pain was Pain Rikudou, five additional shinobi, each with their own Rinnegan. Not only do the six of them possess unique and fearsome abilities such as "jutsu negation" and "body alteration*", but they also all share eyesight with one another. It is unclear whether or not this awesome power is the product of the Rinnegan. (*based on the scans of the abilities available - more specifically, based on their text - it looks like this is the Pain "rocket punch", or as its known in the databook, "kaiwan no hiya", lit. "strong-arm flaming arrow"). Make use of what jutsu you may, a god cannot be killed. "Immortal", and thus "undefeated"... The lone Pain that was dragged into [Jiraiya's] barrier space did cease to be active, but whether this means he "died" or not remains uncertain. Shared among Pain Rikudou are long black strips, serving as swords. The chakra of any individual pierced by this weapon is disrupted, a property not seen in any of the vast number of ninja weapons known to exist. Extending from the arm of this cloak is Pain's weapon.
Pein was a powerful and his powers are beyond the impossible. In general Observation, his powers are more superior than all the three dojutsu as the data book explains. However, the matter of the fact that he takes orders from Madara leaves him one level beneath him along with his disadvantages such as being disabled. However, I will say this. For him to blow up an entire village and to restore the dead back to life makes him far more superior than the Mangekyo Sharingan. Why is he taking orders from Madara with it should be the other way around? This leaves the state that Madara could be more powerful then Nagato or convinced him. Things are still in motion and no one not even the Data book could explain what Madara’s capabilities are. One of the Mangekyo techniques may include something similar like bringing back the dead. I am only mentioning this on the behalf of more than three sources that mentions the Mangekyo Sharingan has access to forbidden technique.



*Rikudou Sennin*
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Rikudou Sennin: the shinobi forefather who gave birth to all ninjutsu. He was said to carry Rinnegan, and to have been sent by Heaven during times of turmoil. Who he really was: a god of creation or destruction... or whether he even existed at all is uncertain, and his name remains in folklore tales only.-The shinobi founder who uncovered the principles of chakra and hand seals.-Rinnegan towers supreme among doujutsu. Those very same pupils dwell in Nagato's eyes. The Sage of the Six Paths.
The Rikudou still holds the title of the most powerful ninja in existence. I am mentioning this on behalf of the data book. However, I have belief that Madara’s plan will make him more powerful.

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Nice try but Madara is a "pathetic shell of his former self" his EMS is totally fucked up right now. That's why he's trying to implement the Eye of the Moon plan to return his powers.

And Pain didn't use his Rinnegan to it's full potential like the Sage did.

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Rinnegan > Sharingan. Yet, I feel that put against each other Sharingan comes out on top.

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though I disagree that is an extremly well put post. reps.

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though I disagree that is an extremly well put post. reps.
Reps for what? He stated that many people are unware of the EMS's mysterious power. Then provided speculation only, because we have no clue what it does besides not going blind. Not to mention he got this idea off of another thread only to say nothing.

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Nice try but Madara is a "pathetic shell of his former self" his EMS is totally fucked up right now. That's why he's trying to implement the Eye of the Moon plan to return his powers.

And Pain didn't use his Rinnegan to it's full potential like the Sage did.
That's completely false information. What do you mean Pein didn't use his rinnegan to its full potential? I understand he is not the original source of the Rinnegan but he did all of the six paths in battle and went all out against Naruto. Please explain or prove me wrong of why Madara needs all the bijuu's to evolve his EMS into the UEMS.

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Reps for what? He stated that many people are unware of the EMS's mysterious power. Then provided speculation only, because we have no clue what it does besides not going blind. Not to mention he got this idea off of another thread only to say nothing.
If your talking about the debate against the Rinnegan vs sharingan thread. Your wrong. On the contrary, no one admits that I proved the EMS to be more powerful and so I pulled out from the fan bash of those who believe that the Rinnegan is more powerful.

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That's completely false information. What do you mean Pein didn't use his rinnegan to its full potential?
Rikodou the sage of the six paths created the moon. Nagato created a huge ball of earth about 4 miles in diameter. The moon the sage created is a little more than 1/4th the size of the planet to put that into perspective.
Sage>Nagato

Sage created ninjutsu.
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I understand he is not the original source of the Rinnegan but he did all of the six paths in battle and went all out against Naruto.
Exactly. He used every trick he knew to fight Naruto. But that doesn't mean he used his Rinnegan to its full potential. He had no one to teach him at all. For all we know there could have been an 'ultimate' technique for all paths. Chibaku Tensei was only for Deva Realm, the other realms might have had similiarly powerful moves which Nagato never learned about.

Point is that the Rinnegan's potential is endless. It fucking created ninjutsu. Let's ends these debates.

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This is not a debate. Its based on logical sense from the Data book.

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Nice essay. But I doubt that Madara will become stronger than Rikudou Sennin. We are talking about someone who created the art of ninjutsu itself. When there were countless wars in the ancient world, Rikudou appeared and founded this religion known as ninjutsu to stop them, as Jiraiya told to Nagato.

Practically Madara and all the Naruto cast follows his fundament. If Rikudou were to appear, he could take away the ninjutsu knowledge from them very easily.

For some reason he was called a god.

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I appreciate your research OP +rep, but if this was an attempt to end the Rinnegan vs Sharingan wars it was just another battle I'm afraid.

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Nice essay. But I doubt that Madara will become stronger than Rikudou Sennin. We are talking about someone who created the art of ninjutsu itself. When there were countless wars in the ancient world, Rikudou appeared and founded this religion known as ninjutsu to stop them, as Jiraiya told to Nagato.

Practically Madara and all the Naruto cast follows his fundament. If Rikudou were to appear, he could take away the ninjutsu knowledge from them very easily.

For some reason he was called a god.
Thanks. I just wanted to inform those who still think that Rinnegan is more powerful to read the facts. And your right the Rikudou could be more powerful than Madara.

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I appreciate your research OP +rep, but if this was an attempt to end the Rinnegan vs Sharingan wars it was just another battle I'm afraid.
And I appreciate your honesty. Don't worry this is not an attempt to start a war or a battle. It seems to me the battle was won in the Rinnegan vs Sharingan thread but the war is far from over.

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And yet another thread on this pointless debate

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Please explain or prove me wrong of why Madara needs all the bijuu's to evolve his EMS into the UEMS.
We don't know yet, but that's his goal, it's canon

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And yet another thread on this pointless debate
No, this is not a debate. I can promise you this thread won't exceed 10 pages. I'll put my life on it. Its facts and discussion from the data book.

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This is from your own databook extract on the rinnegan:


"Presently, not even a portion of the abilities generated through this most supreme of doujutsu, possesed by Pain, is certain. "

This segment not only states that only a small portion of the powers of the rinnegan have been shown but it also says quite cleary that the rinnegan is the supreme eye technique (i.e. better than sharingan). Jiraiya has also said something to this effect in th manga when he fought pain.

also, just like how the "potential" of the various sharingan users can be different, the same must be true for rinnegan users. For all we know pain might have been a bit of a rinnegan noob compared to the rikudou sennin

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This is from your own databook extract on the rinnegan:


"Presently, not even a portion of the abilities generated through this most supreme of doujutsu, possesed by Pain, is certain. "

This segment not only states that only a small portion of the powers of the rinnegan have been shown but it also says quite cleary that the rinnegan is the supreme eye technique (i.e. better than sharingan). Jiraiya has also said something to this effect in th manga when he fought pain.

also, just like how the "potential" of the various sharingan users can be different, the same must be true for rinnegan users. For all we know pain might have been a bit of a rinnegan noob compared to the rikudou sennin
Of course the rinnegan is better than the Sharingan but is it better than the the Ultimate Mangekyo sharingan that has access to forbidden techniques? How about this: Sure the Origin created the other Dojustu but one of them: The Sharingan has the ability to evolve twice. The mangekyo sharingan and the EMS. Now, with that said. How powerful will it be once Madara activates the UEMS?

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Of course the rinnegan is better than the Sharingan but is it better than the the Ultimate Mangekyo sharingan that has access to forbidden techniques?
Yes.

Think about what everyone else is saying.
UEMS can access "forbidden" techniques.
Rinnegan made these techniques possible.

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-Rinnegan towers supreme among doujutsu. Those very same pupils dwell in Nagato's eyes...
*密偵 (mittei) translates as "spy" or "emissary".
**The Sage of the Six Paths.
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His plan involves the “Eye of moon Plan” Which will overrule the Rinnegan.
Very Interesting


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How powerful will it be once Madara activates the UEMS
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