[Crowe]

1. Removing neg rep

What happens and how the staff will deal with it:

-There won't be any revenge negging or flaming in neg rep since the option is gone

-We will no longer worry about rep whores since they won't have the unfair rep power to abuse in negs

-As a result of the 1st, threads with rep (rep power, rep amounts) will be allowed in the Chatterbox and Blender again

-However if you derail a thread or spam a section with rep talk where it doesn't belong you will be dealt with

-Examples of things that would get you sealed is repping with porn, obnoxiously sized images, flaming in a pos rep instead (lol @ this)

-Everything else is left intact

2. The rep in rep power is removed and all ranks past 100K are removed with the rank at that point possibly being renamed. In order for it to balance the new power set.

What happens and how the staff will deal with it

-The formula for rep power becomes Post Count+Join date=Rep Power

-There are no longer impossible to reach rep ranks for the majority of members

-There will be no more rep inflations because rep is no longer a factor in rep power (rep power is reduced)

-We will no longer worry about rep whores since they won't have the unfair rep power to abuse in negs

-Threads with rep (rep power, rep amounts) will be allowed in the Chatterbox and Blender again

-However if you derail a thread or spam a section with rep talk where it doesn't belong you will be dealt with

-Everything else stays the same. People can still send neg and pos rep and the staff will enforce those abuses outside of rep whoring.

Keep in mind that we are only polling to get opinions between the two options. It isn't a guarantee.

Also spam and other posts that don't contribute to the polling/thread will be deleted.

We appreciate any ideas/advices you might have but remember that the reason why we are even considering this is because the current system is causing too much problem. We might not even make any changes but we removed that option since we want to know which of these two option you might consider best for the forum and for yourself.

[Taxman]

It looks like I'm going to need to explain a few things....

I hope my "will rape for food" avy keeps your attention enough to at least brace for this tl;dr...

We specifically said that no matter what you voted for, it didn't necessarily mean that we were going to perform that action.

We could do option one (though I personally dislike this one)
We could do option two (which makes a bit more sense to me, but hey...I'd rather follow Mad Stan's philosophy and blow the whole thing up..or just stop caring about it myself).
We could make it a free-for-all. (S_S would love this)
We could keep it as is. (which we knew most of you would vote for anyway thus why it wasn't even a poll option)
We could even change the rules around!

Staff members believe the system is flawed due to the increasing amount of rep complaints and abuses we've been having to look into...so we wanted a solution for the question "how do we make the rep system less flawed?"

Staff members inherently believe that "repwhoring is bad" because it defaces what "rep" was originally intended to do...feedback and how contributive a member is. For some reason we wish to get rep to fairly show who is a contributive member and who is just a basic spammer and troll

Some staff members believe that repwhoring is cheating a system (that is quite arbitrary anyway) due to a lack of feasible contributions.

Some staff members are thinking for the little guy, yet think the reason why people whore is to neg people with a bigger neg PUNCH (which isn't necessarily true...whoring happens to stroke egos...but stroking egos does give some of you guys too much power to ruin a newbies day and thus come whining to us and then we (the smods and admins) go looking into the comment left and only find an image of yamato wood or a big red cock rooster which ends up getting you and your friends rep sealed and then we get a bitchfest from both sides...just really puts us off and we get more complaints than most people in this thread probably think we get).

Don't deny it...gang negs on noobies and other members have been done for ridiculous reasons. It certainly doesn't help seeing the "order of the red cock", or members of GB and UG, etc. go through this...nor is it "fun" having to deal with the latest victim of a mass neg from a group formed by members with the largest rep powers who may or may not have gotten their reps from non-contributive manners (and no "being inherently awesome" doesn't count )

Some staff members are like Spy Smasher and only want to see the world burn (ha I knew I'd get a TDK reference in here somewhere)

Also, we should probably mention that removing the ranks after 500k, instead of 100k, has been discussed. We'd just change the last rank to "member has won the game CONGRATS!" The reason why impossible ranks are even being considered for removal is because they are impossible to obtain. duh.

Giving people a goal is great...but even some goals are completely unrealistic. Make it possible for anyone to win the rep game. When you've won the rep game, it doesn't necessarily mean you can't find a new game to play amirite? So we change the last rank to you "winning" at some contest for internet numbers and then you go off and want to win at another game like the contests and being the most awesome member ever award. Or make a new game amongst your friends on who can reach the next level of 100k and force your friends to make a set for you about how you won amongst them (since we'd be removing the whoring rules with option 2 so we wouldn't really care about your new game as long as comments didn't derail a thread)

Back to the point I guess...We wanted to see what you guys thought between the two most "extreme" solutions of the question "how do we make the rep system less flawed"

In no way does this mean we'll actually remove negs or remove "reputation" from the rep power equation.

And hey...most of all...you guys can use this as a platform as to how you'd think the rep system could be better (of course let's be feasible here...you'll need to come up with something we can implement without the help of M.Bison and Tazmoholic)...so I guess changing up the rules

Sure this isn't a democracy, but we like to take serious suggestions seriously

So if you guys have some intuitive suggestions on how you'd think the rep system could be better, now would be a good time to bring up ideas.

(and god damn it if this appears as the last post in the thread or if my last point about you guys giving your input on how to make the rep system better is ignored, I'm fucking locking this thread so you guys are forced to read it *lol counter-intuitive FTL*).

[Ark 19.0]

argh....lad, this is highly cotroversial and i forsee great problems for this in the future...argh

[Geg]

-There won't be any revenge negging or flaming in neg rep since the option is gone

-We will no longer worry about rep whores since they won't have the unfair rep power to abuse in negs

-As a result of the 1st, threads with rep (rep power, rep amounts) will be allowed in the Chatterbox and Blender again

Wait that was the whole problem with repwhoring and rep threads? Because you were afraid of negging?

[Ark 19.0]

argh...and flaming and what not, if someone is insulting and such you neg, so what now, wehen ever that happens you summon a mod...thats not very functional...argh

[Geg]

The second change doesn't sound good either, especially the getting rid of all ranks above 100k. Surely like half of the current active members have at least 100k.

[Kittan]

Keep the negs, its a great way to express hate

Don't remove the ranks if you were to do the latter, they're there to symbolize how much you have achieved in your forum run

[Saruto]

REMOVE NEG REP?

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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[The Space Cowboy]

How is people getting bent out of shape about little red marks, and the reduction of some number on a server somewhere a problem? Negs are a decent way to express hatred without starting a post-consuming flame-war.

[olaf]

-There won't be any revenge negging or flaming in neg rep since the option is gone

so if I flame or post exclitic picture in rep it will be allright?

well fuck

leave it as it is

[Loki]

Well doesn't metter for me, you can change it or leave as it is .

[Ark 19.0]

argh...Pek please explain how only giving pos rep is gonna stop repwhores, it'll only make then stornger now that they can't get neged, and now the FCs can simply mass Pos each other without fear of reprecursion, i'm sorry but this plan of your is hight ineffeicent...argh

[Slips]

Removing neg rep

No thanks

whats next

ban cussing
ban arguing


For me its part of the forum and if it gets removed it would be a shame because a few people cried about internet points

[Saruto]

I'll just point out that option 2 is completely without merit, because that reduces its role to merely reflecting post count and join date. Both of which are clearly visible anyway. So option 2 should really be, "remove rep altogether".

[Crowe]

Yatta yatta. Buhuuu, "mods ruining the forum" etc. Keep those posts in blender if you want.

Originally Posted by colours

why fix something that's not broken ?

I don't know. I think the staff just loves to argue over a month in a thread with ~20 or so pages just for fun, since none of us have anything better to do.


Keep this thread clean as said and if you blenderites want to bitch; do so in Blender. This is not guaranteed changes. Just choose one of the lesser evil-

[Kittan]

The lesser evil would be the second one, without removing the ranks.

[Psallo a Cappella]

Originally Posted by mistah pek

We appreciate any ideas/advices you might have but remember that the reason why we are even considering this is because the current system is causing too much problem. We might not even make any changes but we removed that option since we want to know which of these two option you might consider best for the forum and for yourself.

I would rather not make any changes. My view's skewed, though; I've just never had any issues with positive / negative reps. Personally, I believe people are bent out of shape by negative reps, especially when the messages are "I don't like _____" or "You're ______." The insults and negative reps on personal taste, while petty . . . one or two postive reps obliterate anyway. I guess I feel negative reps for any reason are not a big deal.

How is people getting bent out of shape about little red marks, and the reduction of some number on a server somewhere a problem? Negs are a decent way to express hatred without starting a post-consuming flame-war.

Seconded; it seems as if it would / does cut down on people lunging for the "Report" icon.

And if people isolating, or insulting one another because of the differences in negative / positive reps was the issue, removing negative reps will simply spur people to want more positive rep than the others.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Geg

Wait that was the whole problem with repwhoring and rep threads? Because you were afraid of negging?

Maybe that they were encouraging repwhoring which was disallowed previously due the unfair adv. it put over other users. With these two plans repwhoring won't be looked after as they will be negated.

Originally Posted by Geg

The second change doesn't sound good either, especially the getting rid of all ranks above 100k. Surely like half of the current active members have at least 100k.

613 members in total have ranks above 100K - which isn't a majority. But take into account how many users above this number have repwhored to achieve the higher ranks. That reduces this number. Definitely NOT half the current active members.

Originally Posted by Ark 13.0

argh...Pek please explain how only giving pos rep is gonna stop repwhores, it'll only make then stornger now that they can't get neged, and now the FCs can simply mass Pos each other without fear of reprecursion, i'm sorry but this plan of your is hight ineffeicent...argh

With the no neg plan, people won't complain about repwhoring because it can't affect them via neg rep repercussion. People can't complain about rep whorers because everyone has an equal chance to just rep whenever to whomever in this term.

[Saruto]

Originally Posted by Saruto

I'll just point out that option 2 is completely without merit, because that reduces its role to merely reflecting post count and join date. Both of which are clearly visible anyway. So option 2 should really be, "remove rep altogether".

COULD I GET AN ANSWER, YO?

[Hatifnatten]

keep the neg, remove the rep.