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Old 01-28-2009, 09:35 AM   #21
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This would be a good fight. But seeing how sasuke is capable of chidori variants and is capable of fighting mid range combat using his lightning element. I believe that he has the upperhand on this battle. and talking about close range, using his sharingan, he can clearly see neji's taijutsu and it won't also be a problem for hm since he has a kusanagi in his hands.

I go for sasuke.

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Even with all those restrictions, I still can see Sasuke winning, with extreme diffeculty. It's true, Neji can block a lot, however the versatality and the sharingan prediction to avoid Jyuuken fight-style gives Sasuke opperturnities to win here, but Neji can win this too, it's very 50-50.

But I just realized how big the gap is between Neji and Sasuke after seeing this thread.

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Old 01-28-2009, 01:20 PM   #23
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When push comes to shove they were equal until the Sharingan became a shot of adrenaline for genjutsu and it gained super powers in MS. Sasuke never took true advantage of it's abilities to copy jutsu so that was never a factor.

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If the Byakugan could see through genjutsu, then neji has it, but if not =, then sasuke.

Without the MS or summons or Kirin or CS, genjutsu and speed is really all that Sasuke has going for him, and neji's byakugan is perceptive enough to counter the speed when coupled with neji's untilmate defense(the jutsu that involves pushing chakra from any pore in his body).

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I think Sasuke would win with moderate difficulty. There's no way Neji could survive a kirin or amaterasu.

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Why Sasuke wins

Between his gentijustu and variety chidori attacks sasuke is a little to much for neji handle even area where neji might have an advantage like intelligence and taijustu it is just about even.

Why Neji wins

If Sasuke attacks Neji like he did Killer Bee.It does not matter Sasuke if you give sasuke all his abilities he will lose.Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, No charaka for Sasuke.It becomes a taijustu fight we all knows wins that fight.

X-factors(Speculation)

- I believe that Byakugan or Neji ability to control his chakra flow gives ability to escape genjustu.I have no proof that or this but Gai has learned to watch people feet avoid look at the sharigan,it is good like hood that Gai has passed this technique to Neji.

-Neji is Jounin.We have no idea other abilities or refinement of techniques he learned.I have no proof but since kakashi was able to do it and Gai his teacher.I believe that neji can open 1 gate now.Once again i have no proof of this but it gives you idea how potential scary Neji can become training with gai.

My conclusion

As much as i want Neji beat Sasuke.Neji has not shown and real defense for sasuke big moves and techniques.If Sasuke is cautious 9 out of ten times he beats Neji.If it is cocky reckless Sasuke that fought deidra or Killer bee then Neji beats him every single time if you make a mistake while fight Neji you will have no chakra. Sasuke can not beat Neji without chakra.

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Your link shows only that Sai can jump in the way of Sasuke (relatively) slowly going to stab Naruto in the back. We've seen that Sasuke can attack faster than that, we haven't seen Neji do anything impressive speed wise since part 1. Obvious or not, Neji won't necessarily be able to do anything about Chidori or Katons. If Chidori Eisou can pierce Kaiten then even if it is obvious Neji's screwed as dodging something when you've just been spinning at high speed using a specific technique isn't easy.

Besides, all Sasuke needs is one hit on Neji and he's dead. Neji needs to hit Sasuke's heart to kill him with Jyuuken, or his lungs or head or whatever. If he gets that close Sasuke can always repel (and paralyse) him with Chidori Nagashi. Neji has no way of defending himself against such an attack. Neji also hasn't got the best chakra control we've seen. Not proveably anyway. He's able to do something few other ninja can do by actively using tenketsu other than on his hands and feet to expel chakra, but that doesn't make him the greatest there is at chakra control. Neji still has to hit Sasuke which as I've said is unlikely because of Sasuke's superior reactions and Sharingan Prediction. Chidori Nagashi just makes things even worse for Neji.

Sasuke has the advantage here in a big way. He can attack from a distance effectively, can dominate Neji with Genjutsu (even if Neji can break it, one Kasegui no Jutsu will be sufficient to give Sasuke the opening he needs to kill Neji) and even in Taijutsu holds the advantage with superior reactions, movement prediction, Chidori Nagashi and an unblockable sword. Sasuke's even got an intelligence and tactical ability advantage over Neji. Neji's one advantage is his superior Taijutsu skill, but that's negated by Sasuke's many other advantages.

It really isn't that close. Unless Sasuke messes up Neji won't have a chance to land a hit.
u sasuke fanboys seriously overestimate sasuke's abillities. the truth is if neji gets close enough 2 sasuke it's game over 4 the uchiha. when it comes 2 taijutsu- which is nejis spescialty- neji is superior; he doesn't even need 2 land a direct hit on sasuke, he only needs a glancing blow 2 potentially kill. i also don't think genjutsu will have a deciding factor in this fight 4 two reasons: 1- neji's chackra control is 1 of the best we've seen in naruto, antone who can easily perforn kiten will have no trouble dispelling even some of the strongest genjutsus because kiten not only releases your chackra, it also repels external chackara and physical attacks. 2- the reason why the sharingan is resistant 2 genjutsu is because it can see through the illusions. however it has been clearly stated- by both kakashi and by kishi in the data books- that the byakugan's powers of insight r superior 2 those of the sharingan; therefore if the sharingan has the insight 2 see through genjutsu the byakugan should at least have the same level of insight if not more. we'll have 2 wait and c if this proves 2 b true, but it's most likely 2 b the case.

4 sasuke 2 take this fight he'll have 2 keep his distance and wear neji down if if neji gets within divination range it's game over 4 sasuke. and 4 anybody who thinks sasuke's sharingan will help him predict all ove neji's taijutsu moves my ansawer 2 that is look at sasuke's fight against killer bee. his sharingan couldn't do shit against someone with superior taijutsu skill.

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u sasuke fanboys seriously overestimate sasuke's abillities. the truth is if neji gets close enough 2 sasuke it's game over 4 the uchiha. when it comes 2 taijutsu- which is nejis spescialty- neji is superior; he doesn't even need 2 land a direct hit on sasuke, he only needs a glancing blow 2 potentially kill. i also don't think genjutsu will have a deciding factor in this fight 4 two reasons: 1- neji's chackra control is 1 of the best we've seen in naruto, antone who can easily perforn kiten will have no trouble dispelling even some of the strongest genjutsus because kiten not only releases your chackra, it also repels external chackara and physical attacks. 2- the reason why the sharingan is resistant 2 genjutsu is because it can see through the illusions. however it has been clearly stated- by both kakashi and by kishi in the data books- that the byakugan's powers of insight r superior 2 those of the sharingan; therefore if the sharingan has the insight 2 see through genjutsu the byakugan should at least have the same level of insight if not more. we'll have 2 wait and c if this proves 2 b true, but it's most likely 2 b the case.

4 sasuke 2 take this fight he'll have 2 keep his distance and wear neji down if if neji gets within divination range it's game over 4 sasuke. and 4 anybody who thinks sasuke's sharingan will help him predict all ove neji's taijutsu moves my ansawer 2 that is look at sasuke's fight against killer bee. his sharingan couldn't do shit against someone with superior taijutsu skill.

Fact that Sasuke has superior speed via feats and Negashi, and sharingan to predict moves before neji makes them meaning lees close range combat will be useless he is too linear. His gentle fist would be met with chidori negashi then a firm kusanagi through his throat

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Fact that Sasuke has superior speed via feats and Negashi, and sharingan to predict moves before neji makes them meaning lees close range combat will be useless he is too linear. His gentle fist would be met with chidori negashi then a firm kusanagi through his throat
Neji can target the tenketsu points from a distance with Hakke Kushou:

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Eight Trigrams* Vacuum Palm (八卦空掌, Hakke Kuushou)
Taijutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Hyuuga Neji

Push the air and shoot it at enemy
A secret Hyuuga super-fast palm attack!!

Taking aim at the enemy's vitals and releasing an ultrahigh-speed palm thrust!!

A "vacuum shell" compressed using the "Gentle Fist" is shot out at the enemy's vitals under tremendous pressure!! A short to mid-range attack that more than covers the weakness of taijutsu

↓With the scope of the "Byakugan," the enemy's vitals can be precisely pinpointed!! The targeted enemy will be blown off their feet before they can even notice the impact.
[pictures of Neji using this technique and hitting Kisame]

*The Eight Trigrams (Bāguà in Chinese) come from Taoist cosmology and are closely related to the concept of Yin-Yang.

There is a Chinese martial art based on this concept: Bāguàzhǎng (八卦掌, Hakkeshou in Japanese), literally meaning "Eight Trigram Palm". It's an "internal" (nèijiā, 內家) martial art, like Tàijíquán.

The Hyuuga-style taijutsu is obviously based on this martial art. Not only is this evident from the names of their techniques, but also from the symbolism surrounding them. E.g. when Neji does the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, a Bāguà diagram appears beneath him.

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Thank you. DB is just teir range. meaning other can be faster in the same tier. And It obvious Sasuke was peaking tier 4.5 about to go into tier 5.

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LOL at the databook BS. Sasuke and deiara are the same speed in the books yet Deidara was no where near his speed.The Databook is just a guide and sasuke is on the upper level of 4.5 while Neji isn't.
Deidara could very well keep up with Sasuke,they have equal speed.The only time Sasuke managed to surprise Deidara from behind was when Deidara was focused on Tobi for a moment.Neji would one shot base Sasuke.

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[quote=HyuugaProdigy;21493758]u sasuke fanboys seriously overestimate sasuke's abillities. the truth is if neji gets close enough 2 sasuke it's game over 4 the uchiha. when it comes 2 taijutsu- which is nejis spescialty- neji is superior; he doesn't even need 2 land a direct hit on sasuke, he only needs a glancing blow 2 potentially kill. i also don't think genjutsu will have a deciding factor in this fight 4 two reasons: 1- neji's chackra control is 1 of the best we've seen in naruto, antone who can easily perforn kiten will have no trouble dispelling even some of the strongest genjutsus because kiten not only releases your chackra, it also repels external chackara and physical attacks. 2- the reason why the sharingan is resistant 2 genjutsu is because it can see through the illusions. however it has been clearly stated- by both kakashi and by kishi in the data books- that the byakugan's powers of insight r superior 2 those of the sharingan; therefore if the sharingan has the insight 2 see through genjutsu the byakugan should at least have the same level of insight if not more. we'll have 2 wait and c if this proves 2 b true, but it's most likely 2 b the case.

4 sasuke 2 take this fight he'll have 2 keep his distance and wear neji down if if neji gets within divination range it's game over 4 sasuke. and 4 anybody who thinks sasuke's sharingan will help him predict all ove neji's taijutsu moves my ansawer 2 that is look at sasuke's fight against killer bee. his sharingan couldn't do shit against someone with superior taijutsu skill.[/QUOTE]

And you Neji fanboys seriously overestimate Neji's "skills". Chidori Nagishi>Silly palm and finger taijutsu. Whats "chackra"? So? Byakuguan has NEVER been stated to be able to dispell Genjutsu. Most if not all of its abilities were revealed in part 1. Sasuke dosent need distance when hes got countless Chidori variants and Katons. Incase you haven't noticed Sasuke was still injured during that fight and Killer Bee's fighting style is alot more un predictable than Neji's.

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u sasuke fanboys seriously overestimate sasuke's abillities. the truth is if neji gets close enough 2 sasuke it's game over 4 the uchiha. when it comes 2 taijutsu- which is nejis spescialty- neji is superior; he doesn't even need 2 land a direct hit on sasuke, he only needs a glancing blow 2 potentially kill. i also don't think genjutsu will have a deciding factor in this fight 4 two reasons: 1- neji's chackra control is 1 of the best we've seen in naruto, antone who can easily perforn kiten will have no trouble dispelling even some of the strongest genjutsus because kiten not only releases your chackra, it also repels external chackara and physical attacks. 2- the reason why the sharingan is resistant 2 genjutsu is because it can see through the illusions. however it has been clearly stated- by both kakashi and by kishi in the data books- that the byakugan's powers of insight r superior 2 those of the sharingan; therefore if the sharingan has the insight 2 see through genjutsu the byakugan should at least have the same level of insight if not more. we'll have 2 wait and c if this proves 2 b true, but it's most likely 2 b the case.

4 sasuke 2 take this fight he'll have 2 keep his distance and wear neji down if if neji gets within divination range it's game over 4 sasuke. and 4 anybody who thinks sasuke's sharingan will help him predict all ove neji's taijutsu moves my ansawer 2 that is look at sasuke's fight against killer bee. his sharingan couldn't do shit against someone with superior taijutsu skill.[/QUOTE]

And you Neji fanboys seriously overestimate Neji's "skills". Chidori Nagishi>Silly palm and finger taijutsu. Whats "chackra"? So? Byakuguan has NEVER been stated to be able to dispell Genjutsu. Most if not all of its abilities were revealed in part 1. Sasuke dosent need distance when hes got countless Chidori variants and Katons. Incase you haven't noticed Sasuke was still injured during that fight and Killer Bee's fighting style is alot more un predictable than Neji's.
Hakke Kushou is a bloodline ability and hits the vital spots directly,base Sasuke gets one shoted badly.

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Sasuke's 2-tomoe and 1-tomoe Sharingan could follow Haku's bloodline jutsu movements. 3-tomoe has no problem following Neji's.
While Neji's Kaiten isn't too shabby, Sasuke's Nagashi or any other Chidori overpowers it due to chakra recomposition. Keep in mind Kaiten is just extracting chakra from tenketsu while spinning. Sasuke has a good chance at close range even without his sword.

But when it goes mid to long range, Sasuke wins for sure with stronger Katons or Chidori Eisou/Senbon, while Neji's Empty Palm has done nothing but push someone away.

Sasuke's speed is far greater than Neji's, so no shot there... The genjutsu defense part has never been shown either.

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Sasuke's 2-tomoe and 1-tomoe Sharingan could follow Haku's bloodline jutsu movements. 3-tomoe has no problem following Neji's.
While Neji's Kaiten isn't too shabby, Sasuke's Nagashi or any other Chidori overpowers it due to chakra recomposition. Keep in mind Kaiten is just extracting chakra from tenketsu while spinning. Sasuke has a good chance at close range even without his sword.

But when it goes mid to long range, Sasuke wins for sure with Chidori Eisou/Senbon, while Neji's Empty Palm has done nothing but push someone away.
Kaiten knocks away the opponents chakra,lol Nagashi
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/104/16/
And Hakke Kushou aims at the vital points as the DB says,its a bloodline ability,i dont see how Sasuke wont get one shoted without a CS,Oro powers and MS.

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Kaiten knocks away the opponents chakra,lol Nagashi
Kaiten knocks away squat. It only works this well when the opponent runs into it like a berserker, like Naruto. When the opponent is standing perfectly still, he only gets pushed away a little, that is when he isn't using any form of defense.
Nagashi overpowers, Chidori pierces.
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And Hakke Kushou aims at the vital points as the DB says,its a bloodline ability,i dont see how Sasuke wont get one shoted without a CS,Oro powers and MS.
Hakke Kushou did absolutely nothing to Kisame's Shoten clone and it takes Neji a little time to aim it. It took Sasuke less than a second to slice off a bijuu's tail. It would be the same with Neji's head.

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Kaiten knocks away squat. It only works this well when the opponent runs into it like a berserker, like Naruto. When the opponent is standing perfectly still, he only gets pushed away a little, that is when he isn't using any form of defense.
Nagashi overpowers, Chidori pierces.


Hakke Kushou did absolutely nothing to Kisame's Shoten clone and it takes Neji a little time to aim it. It took Sasuke less than a second to slice off a bijuu's tail. It would be the same with Neji's head.
No,the manga says it knocks away the opponents chakra,last time i checked Nagashi is made from recomposed chakra Sasuke gets at a 10m distance from Neji and dies instantly.The sharingan will only help him predict his own death,like in that movie Final Destination.

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No,the manga says it knocks away the opponents chakra,last time i checked Nagashi is made from recomposed chakra
It actually has never shown to be able to knock away any of the stronger, more recomposed jutsu of the manga, such as Rasengan or Chidori. At best, it can knock away someone running at him and even then Neji gets hurt.

Also Neji can't keep on using Kaiten anyway, it takes a terrible toll on his chakra because it's, as i said, extracting chakra from all his tenketsu.
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Sasuke gets at a 10m distance from Neji and dies instantly.The sharingan will only help him predict his own death,like in that movie Final Destination.
That doesn't make sense.

I already refuted that part as well anyway.

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Old 01-31-2009, 04:20 PM   #39
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It actually has never shown to be able to knock away any of the stronger, more recomposed jutsu of the manga, such as Rasengan or Chidori. At best, it can knock away someone running at him and even then Neji gets hurt.

Also Neji can't keep on using Kaiten anyway, it takes a terrible toll on his chakra because it's, as i said, extracting chakra from all his tenketsu.

That doesn't make sense.

I already refuted that part as well anyway.
Neji sees chakra forming for a jutsu in advance,Sasuke tries his Chidori and gets deflected.Neji had no problems to spam Kaiten vs Kidoumaru.

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No,the manga says it knocks away the opponents chakra,last time i checked Nagashi is made from recomposed chakra Sasuke gets at a 10m distance from Neji and dies instantly.The sharingan will only help him predict his own death,like in that movie Final Destination.


No, Hakke Kushou at 10m has not been shown to do much more than push people over. Sasuke will then bounce right back up again. It doesn't attack the tenketsu either, all the DB description says is that it can attack the opponent's vital organs. We didn't see it do much to Kisame's organs (he didn't seem injured at all when he got hit) so why should we assume it'll damage Sasuke's organs?

Kisame's durability doesn't come into this either. Jyuuken bypasses physical strength and durability and attacks the organs that you cannot train to get tougher. That's one of the reasons it's considered so dangerous. And Kaiten? Buggering useless. If Neji starts spinning Sasuke will jump away or immediately Chidori Nagashi him. The Nagashi will hit Neji as he's starting to spin, so he won't be able to use Kaiten's full power to defend himself. Or Sasuke could throw a Chidori Eisou through him while he starts to spin, either way is good.

If this was a pure Taijutsu match and you took Sasuke's Sharingan away Neji would win. Problem is this isn't a pure Taijutsu match, Sasuke has greater speed and reactions than Neji, can predict his every movement, has much better ranged attacks, high level of skill with Ninja Tools, a massive Genjutsu advantage and an unblockable sword.

Hell, just having a sword is a great help when you're facing an unarmed opponent.

Neji's not winning this fight except in the rarest scenarios.

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