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ItaSasu Vs. SasuNaru
Free to interpret how you wish. Since Yaoi fans tend to not be pricks with each other, I guess I don't need to give them any particular warning.
For loudmouths who aren't Yaoi fans or have shounen purist issues, canon discussions do not go here pick the one you feel is better/stronger/most significant and leave it at that.
As long as you're focused on the topic be as non-serious as you like within good-taste limits of course.
Some personal tics:
Naruto was able to take Sasuke's mind off Itachi or sway his perspectives out of mostly "positive" influence. Non-related bond.
Itachi was able to drive and remain the motivation of Sasuke's existance out of mostly "negative" influence. Related bond.
I find Itachi more of a drive than a turn-on for Sasuke
Originally Posted by j e s s i e
I can never, ever see SasuNaru becoming any more than just friendship or rivalry.
Both Sasuke and Naruto have been shown to have a very high degree of pride in themselves, and the thought of either of them putting their pride through the wringer to admit romantic feelings is just highly unlikely. SasuNaru is overdone, overused, and overestimated as a pairing, but can you really see either of them bending over and taking it in the ass from their rival?
Yes, they do have an undeniably deep bond that is the center-point of the series. Yes, Sasuke has put his life at risk in the very dawn of the series to keep his friends safe. But when you throw romance into the mix it is just plain out of character.
ItaSasu, however, is in an entirely different league.
Sasuke exists for Itachi, just as Itachi lived years, prolonging his already deteriorating lifespan with medication for the day his beloved baby brother would end his life, and passing on an even greater power in his death in the hope that Sasuke would live on.
With the death of his most precious person.
There is no greater sacrifice than the one Itachi had made for him. To be able to hurt someone, torcher someone for years out of love and for the greater good; it is no short of amazing.
Itachi could kill his parents, his colleagues, his best friend, and even his lover, but he could not kill his little brother. A bond that transcends both love and hate, even the strength of a bond between lovers.
And Sasuke, the one who has left his entire life behind to pursue the death of the one he believed to be a monster, has now put his life's goal through a 180, seeking vengence for the death of his brother and even crying for the first time since the massacre over the one he supposedly hated the most.
And I quote from chapter 416,
"You've shown me what lengths Itachi went through to protect the village. But the details of his life, to me, don't compare to the grief I've endured from losing him."
"Itachi couldn't bring himself to kill me. That means my life was more important to him than the village. And I feel the same way... his life meant more to me than the village. That's all there is to it."
There is immeasurable depth within the plausibility of ItaSasu that I have never seen in any other pairing, Naruto fandom or not, and it is unfortunate others do not see this.
I'd like to see him say the same thing about Naruto, but alas, he has taken a path of hatred and thrown Konoha out the window to accomplish his own goals.
Originally Posted by izzyisozaki
I respect your opinion, but I will never be able to put ItaSasu on the same level of SasuNaru. Never.
Cos a family bond (between brothers nonetheless) such as that built on pain, honor, regret, and sacrifice will always be choosen over personal happiness and romantic/non-related bond. Everyone lumps Sasuke's pursuit of revenge into one entity: ITACHI. But wait.
First, why did he pursue Itachi? He had supposedly killed the entire family, and Sasuke held him responsible for everything.
But at the same time Itachi was the last tangible thing of everything he had lost. So in other words, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
The regret Sasuke felt to have not been able to do anything...do you think he could have lived with that being happy with his friends in the village? Sasuke is selfless in a very egocentric way, and will do anything to feel redeemed. Since he couldn't gain justice killing Itachi after knowing the truth, here he is again on the same old road of revenge . Sasuke follows his dreams, probably also one that was in the past.
And who understood this the most? Naruto did. Naruto haters/skeptics often say this is overrated, that he in fact fails to understand Sasuke's state of mind. But he doesn't, and that's why he doesn't give up.
The entire manga brings up DREAMS whenever Sasuke/Naruto are involved: Haku and Sai in particular.
Itachi + loss of family overcome Naruto's influence + village for obvious reasons. This does not mean the love is not as great just because it doesn't get the priority. They are contrasting things that affect a person's existance in different ways. To sum it up, an important person in your family from who you had expectations is bound to be choosen over non-familial bonds no matter how strong they are.
Moreover, if you still see rivalry between Sasuke and Naruto, you are reading the manga blindly. Also the essence of their rivalry cannot be simplified. Naruto admitted in the VotE why he acted towards Sasuke that way. If you missed the main point of WHY Naruto goes after Sasuke then I'm not surprised you cannot see a romantic relationship between them. Sasuke affects Naruto's existance to the point its as if the boy can't live without him. And then there's Naruto that can actually CHANGE/INFLUENCE Sasuke's heart that was focused since a child and post-trauma on revenge and Itachi. They practically balanced each other. There like two things that never mix but are incomplete without the other.
Do you actually think Sasuke is HAPPY?
He is on a path of loneliness and unhappiness, it was made extremely clear that breaking his bond with Konoha, and on top of all, with Naruto he'd become STRONGER for the pain of loneliness (that the two boys already recognized in each other). So sorry, generalizing and saying Sasuke has lived his life for his brother that he loves more than anyone really is taking it too far. His emotions are also repressed, and considering the type of person he is, I can see why he'd be running away from them since he doesn't want to move off that memory that brings him such torment. Just the fact Itachi was GOOD should make Sasuke feel regret for his actions...he like seriously almost killed his best friend(s) and now is up to good knows what. I think it still has to be seen the extent Naruto's influence can have on him now. Now that also his brother died for that, I think he is quite broken...and I think Naruto can relieve him the most, if that means anything to you. Of course HE CRIED for his brother...and for everything. When he left Naruto, he was torn, but at least Naruto wasn't dead and his brother was still the one he could grudge.
As for Itachi, he is one of the most mysterious characters so I prefer not to make hard judgements on his behavior. But leaving the brother alive and not his lover or parents makes a lot more sense for various reasons. 1. He was just a child, let alone his beloved brother. 2. Descendent of the Uchiha clan. 3. Had potential that Itachi recognized.
I'm not surprised he'd want to set up a future for his clan and brother with such sacrifice. He'd get two things at once. No three, he'd actually would have made meaning of his short life.
Sorry if this isn't satisfactory or good enough for you, but I do have my MANY reasons for shipping SasuNaru over any other Sasuke or Naruto pairing. Kishimoto doesn't emphasize the bond for nothing.
THOSE WHO CANNOT SHUT THEIR FILTHY HOMOPHOBIC MOUTH ARE KINDLY ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING. GROW UP AND GET LAID.
Last edited by izzyisozaki; 11-28-2008 at 12:14 PM.
I think there's a kind of visual appeal to Itachi and Sasuke, but it doesn't strike me as a healthy relationship. These two guys who aren't so good at expressing their emotions need someone who can bring them out a little bit. So I'm going with SasuNaru, because Naruto's forward when Sasuke is not. If Sasuke's sulking or having a bad day, Naruto's not going to leave the Uchiha alone to mop around. He's going to drag off the guy to have some fun. Which sure, would piss off Sasuke at first, but he'll probably find something to enjoy. They are the sun and the moon, the logic and the passion.