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Old 02-14-2008, 04:10 PM   #1
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Old 02-14-2008, 04:16 PM   #2
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Difficult to say.

Thanos would likely win if the battle was in the 616 universe.

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Old 02-14-2008, 04:38 PM   #3
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My money is on HOTU.

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Old 02-14-2008, 06:39 PM   #4
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Beyonder gets his ass whopped.

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Old 02-14-2008, 07:36 PM   #5
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Beyonder stomps. He's an omniversal entity. The HoTU is limited to 616 universe.

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Heart of the universe aka Heart of the infinite? Doesn't that grant Thanos the same power as TOAA who is above pre-retcon Beyonder?



Here Thanos absorbs the LT, judge of ALL the Multi-verses, and representative of the TOAA.

and HOTU/HOTI gives you TOAA powers who is above Pre-retcon beyonder.

Thanos with the power of the marvel writers RETCONS pre-retcon beyonder and owns him.


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Old 02-15-2008, 07:11 AM   #7
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He didn't exactly have the powers of TOAA, for example he didn't possess Omniscience and DIDN'T know Adam Warlock had survived the destruction of reality.

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Wasn't that because his power could only reach within reality and not outside. I took it as him having TOAA Omnipotent power within reality and just that not his omnipresence or science.

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Heart of the universe aka Heart of the infinite? Doesn't that grant Thanos the same power as TOAA who is above pre-retcon Beyonder?

Here Thanos absorbs the LT, judge of ALL the Multi-verses, and representative of the TOAA.
So what? That was just an M-body of the LT.

The HotU is limited to 616 universe, otherwise Thanos wouldn't have ended in utter darkness after he destroyed the universe. He could have just switched to another.

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Where is it stated that it was LT's M-body because i have been trying to find an instance where this is mention in the comic.

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Where is it stated that it was LT's M-body because i have been trying to find an instance where this is mention in the comic.
Logical assumption. Why should the omniversal Living Tribunal bother with a self-contained universal incident? An entity tasked with overviewing an infinite amount of multiverses that each contain an infinite amount of universes, wouldn't come personally to a single universe.

That's like saying the President goes to Miami to arrest a petty thief by himself.

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That's not helping me. The event occurred in 616 Universe which is the Prime Universe if anything happens to it the rest will fall so if anything it would be the real LT. It is his duty to judge a universe if it threatens the others and he's suppose to exist everywhere simultaneously.

So if he even has an M-body why would it be weaker?

I mean there is only on LT and the M-body is just how he gives himself form so why would there be more than one and unlike Eternity that represents one universe at a time in the Prime Multiverse.

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He didn't exactly have the powers of TOAA, for example he didn't possess Omniscience and DIDN'T know Adam Warlock had survived the destruction of reality.
I thought in the book it was made clear by Warlock that Thanos subconsciously left warlock alive so that he could talk him out of it.

btw if your going to use that arguement I can say Pre-retcon beyonder wasn't omniscience either because he got his powers stolen from by Dr.Doom.

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Logical assumption. Why should the omniversal Living Tribunal bother with a self-contained universal incident? An entity tasked with overviewing an infinite amount of multiverses that each contain an infinite amount of universes, wouldn't come personally to a single universe.

That's like saying the President goes to Miami to arrest a petty thief by himself.
Thats not good enough i'm afraid, CBG braught this up a long time ago, theres no proof that it was a M Body, and just the same ammount that it was the full being, for example Eternity was sent in first and defeated in a instant by Thanos, so the big guns were called in, notice the 2nd Eternity (Multi Eternity prehapes) was defeated at the same time as the LT.

And thats a bad example.

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I thought in the book it was made clear by Warlock that Thanos subconsciously left warlock alive so that he could talk him out of it.
It was another power(TOAA) manipulating Thanos, last time Thanos subconscious was discussed was in Infinity Gauntlet when Thanos and Warlock spoke in book 6.

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Thanos wins he wiped out all realities in marvel with the HOTU it is = to TOAA as no one not even LT who is all universes could stop him.

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HOTU thanos > LT who is > beyonder

do the math

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Thanos wins he wiped out all realities in marvel with the HOTU it is = to TOAA as no one not even LT who is all universes could stop him.
Wrong.

HOTU wiped out only 1 universe.

HOTU is a universal power.

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Wrong.

HOTU wiped out only 1 universe.

HOTU is a universal power.
What that discredits you all the way. LT got the whole Marvel universe to try and stop Thanos Lt is equal to all the multiverses. No one could stop Thanos not even LT, and everyone know The Heart of The Universe mean the Marvel Universe its = to TOAA.

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What that discredits you all the way.
Read Marvel: The End again.

Numerous times, Thanos has stated that the universe was destroyed. In #1, #5, and #6. He even outright states this on the first page of Marvel: The End #1.

Adam Warlock in #6 confirms the destruction of the universe.

Thanos in Thanos #1, which follows after Marvel: The End, confirms it again.

The entire Marvel Omniverse wasn't destroyed by Thanos; only 1 universe was destroyed by his HOTU tantrum.

Even Pre-Retcon Beyonder was above Living Tribunal, back in Secret Wars II.

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HOTU = supreme being of 1 universe; Thanos #1.

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Beyonder turns the heart into a cookie. People don't really get that Pre-retcon Beyonder IS the strongest character marvel produced, that is why they had to retcon him.

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