[Guy Gardner]

I've wanted to talk about this for a while, since I think that the Ultimate Universe doesn't get enough credit for it's originality and overall solid showings.

So what are people's opinions of the current big storylines (F4 God War, X-Men Cable, the end of Ultimates 2, Spiderman Clone Saga, and Ultimate Power), along with critiques and compliments for older storylines?

[Blitzomaru]

I haven't read the F4 storyline yet, btu I've been told its good, so I will be soon. While it is one of the most original and thought-out ideas I've seen in a while, I don't really like the idea of Cable just being Wolverine from the future with no mutant powers. I'm guessing the legacy virus in the ultimate universe nullifies mutant powers, or maybe his version of the techno-organic virus stopped his mutant healing factor. I didn't know the last issue of Ultimates was out yet. Where the hell was I? What I've read is really good so far. Although they're amking Quicksilver out to be like the flash now. The spidey clone saga is very intersting, though I don't see how Pete can ever return to a normal life now. I mean, when shield shows up in your neighborhood with spider-slayers tearassing through your lawn, you can't jsut write that off. Any good investigative journalist should be able to put together that Pete is Spidey, if one of his neighbors doesn't do so already. And I don't really know what to make of Ultimate Power yet, so I'll reserve judgement of that one to someone else. One other series that isn't mentions (because we've been waiting like 8 months for it) is teh Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk. I was really excited for this, but now I'm getting very apathetic. The entire storyline should have been written in advance before teh first issue was printed.

[Chatulio]

Don't we have one on the Ultimates already ? Either way all of UM is awesome except for Ultimate Extinction and that rushed job at the end. The fact they are bringing in Thanos into it is awesome

[Hat Hair]

I only really ever read three books, Ultimate Spiderman, Ultimate X-Men and, occassionally, the Ultimates. Of the three, only the Ultimates has managed to maintain its action-movie quality. Of course with Millar's run having ended who knows where Loeb will take things ? Ultimate X-Men in particular seems to be in trouble as the retellings of X-Men lore have just become too thin in terms of plot. I dropped Spiderman around the fifties when it appeared as if Spiderman would never stop being an emo, punching bag newb, but have been checking out the clone saga at my comics store. Bendis seemed to have burned out on this book, which is a bit sad since it was one of the few of his many books that I ever enjoyed.

I am most interested in the upcoming Captain America/Falcon mini.

[Parallax]

I love The Ultimates, though I hate how late they ship( Im hoping#13 comes out by March). I haven't read Ultimate Spiderman in awhile, though I always enjoyed it.

[Guy Gardner]

So has anyone else been reading the Clone Saga so far? Anyone else, well, as surprised to who is involved and what JUST happened?

By the by, Ultimate X-Men: Cable has been far better than I thought it'd be. I like the twist on Cable and Bishop and what's currently going on.

[Comic Book Guy]

Ultimate Cable is not bad, but major drawbacks I find are Ultimate Cable being nothing more than a future version of one of the X-Men and the Xavier is in love with Jean in the Ultimate universe as the 616.

Ultimates kicks ass though.

And any bets that Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk will come out in 2008?

[Galt]

I'm rather enjoying both Cable and Clone Saga, although personally I think some of the revelations are a bit...messy.

"I'm in love with Jean!" was kind of unnecessary for Xavier to blurt out at that point, but the action is getting pretty cool, as is the fact that Cable seems to know a disturbing amount about what's happening to Jean.

Clone Saga...mmm, really really enjoying what's happening here, but the fact that Ock can control metal is kind of odd, and hopefully will be refined a bit, since the general fear is that they're going to make him some screwy Magneto clone, since his speech seems to indicate that he's had this ability for a long, long time. Man, it's going to be a weird US #105, with MJ, Gwen, Kitty, and "Jessica." Not that the latter is a potential romantic interest for Peter, but with the way Kitty's been acting lately, she'll probably bust in and make that for a first assumption, which will be very strange. Hopefully Jessica and Peter beat the stuffing out of Ock with maybe some help from the X-Men or something, and Fury sends the Ultimates in with presidential backing to take down his rivals in the superhero industry.

[Guy Gardner]

Yeah, the revealation was a bit odd, but it does sort of make sense. It makes Doc a helluva lot more dangerous, that's for sure. I have to say, though, Bendis really knows how to slow build something. Now that I look at it, you can see "Richard" come out of the doors with the rest of the clones in issue 02. You can also see Otto in the background of "Jessica's" birth in 102.

The art in the last issue of UXM seemed a little off, and Xavier's admission was a bit... odd. But other than that, the action seemed dead on. I hope to God, though, that Cyclops doesn't die. I have a feeling that he's doomed, but I'm hoping that he makes it out of it. I'm also slightly intrigued at the reappearance of Syndicate and what he's been doing for the Professor.

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Gimme a sec to write up my thoughts on the Ultimate universe, I had alot to think about

[mustang]

Originally Posted by Justice And Rule

The art in the last issue of UXM seemed a little off, and Xavier's admission was a bit... odd. But other than that, the action seemed dead on. I hope to God, though, that Cyclops doesn't die. I have a feeling that he's doomed, but I'm hoping that he makes it out of it. I'm also slightly intrigued at the reappearance of Syndicate and what he's been doing for the Professor.

The art is because the original artist Ben Oliver couldn't do it and thus, they got Yanick Paquette to do the art.
And no Scott is mostly not going to die, at least according to the preview for UXM #80 -

Spoiler:

The young X-Men are leaderless. And in the wake of their tragedy, Scott Summers reaches a momentous decision: Disband the X-Men! Yes, you read it right. Is this the end of Xavier’s dream? And if so, what does this mean for the evil mutants who may rush in to fill the power vacuum? It all begins to unravel…
It seems Xavier is going to be the one that bites it.

The ultimate cable story is alright, but I didn't like hwo cable=wolverine from the future, not very original
Ultimates is amazing, but I hate how long it takes for one issue to come out. I just hope Ultimates 3 wouldn't be like that.

[Guy Gardner]

Originally Posted by Gai

I HATE YOU JUSTICE AND RULE. I SPENT ALL YESTERDAY THINKING OF MAKING THIS EXACT THREAD AND YOU STOLE MY THUNDER YOU BASTARD

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Gimme a sec to write up my thoughts on the Ultimate universe, I had alot to think about

Oddly enough, this thread is over a month old.

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Originally Posted by Justice And Rule

Oddly enough, this thread is over a month old.

LIES!

Anyway, here are my views on the different titles and the characters

Ultimate Spidey - This title I really enjoy and that's pretty much because it oozes what made Spidey so popular in the first place; a kid down on his luck that gets lots of powers and has to balance between school, his girl and his hero persona.
I like how he and MJ pretty much got hitched almost immediately in the series but do have a fairly bumby relationship due to his personal problems and other girls like Gwen (who they shouldn't have killed), Kitty and to a lesser degree Felicia. I found that this was fairly lacking in the 616 universe as basically Petey there goes from one GF to another with the exception of MJ and Felicia (and even then it's fairly small), I really would enjoy to see Pete's relationship on the rocks again so he might go to Felicia for support (personally I think this would make the relationship far more realistic and something we could relate to more than the current one, admit it you'll never find a girl as hawt, intelligent and loyal as MJ)
I also do like how the fact that Pete is only a kid and has to fight all these adult super guys, that's something that Marvel glossed over when they started 616 Pete and personally made him relatively flat.
Ultimate Venom - No
Full Stop.
Ultimate MJ - I like both MJs, she's pretty much my second favorite comic female (after you know who) because she's pretty much the perfect girl anyone could want. The 616 one was pretty unrealistic while the Ultimate one is more down to Earth, even though the Ultimate one is generally lacking in resourcefulness compared to the 616 one, this only serves to make her more realistic. Admit it, MJ taking down Swarm and Chameleon was very unrealistic (though I did throughly enjoy it).
I actually hope she doesn't get any powers since I really like the problem she has with Pete
Ultimate Black Cat - Hmmm, I really like 616 Felicia because she, like MJ, has a strong personality and hawt without turning out like a bimbo (Felicia really is very intelligent) though her history retcon peeved me off. Her relationship with Petey is one of my favorite aspects of Marvel since she really is still in love with Pete (and Petey still has feelings for her) but because of MJ they can't really do much, that said I'm happy with her primary role in the Sensational series.
Ultimate Felicia is a different matter, although I really like how she's head over heels in love with Spider Man it really makes her seem too bland and makes her appear too much like an air head, the best bit of characterization she received was when she was out of uniform. I also like how she's alot older than Peter (she's clearly in her twenties at least) though I thought her vomiting on Peter was too much. I can't wait for her to come back and start to mature

That's it for now. I'll probably write up my thoughts on the Ultimates and X-Men then I can get to the actual current storyline :D

[Parallax]

I am looking forward to Loeb's take on the Ultimates, I just hope that Maduiera doesn't stall like Hitch.

[Comic Book Guy]

IMO, it would have been more interesting if Ultimate Peter hooked up with Ultimate Gwen, and that it was Ultimate MJ that bites it.

[Galt]

With Clone Saga though, everyone can have a Peter for themselves, more or less! MJ can have the real Peter, Gwen can have a revelation about her lifestyle choices and hook up with Jessica, and Kitty who I dislike the most out of the potential female interests, can go with Ultimate Tarantula, if he's still alive after all this. Black Cat can hook up with Papa Peter since he's the only one who is legal, more or less.

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Originally Posted by Galt

With Clone Saga though, everyone can have a Peter for themselves, more or less! MJ can have the real Peter, Gwen can have a revelation about her lifestyle choices and hook up with Jessica, and Kitty who I dislike the most out of the potential female interests, can go with Ultimate Tarantula, if he's still alive after all this. Black Cat can hook up with Papa Peter since he's the only one who is legal, more or less.

I support all of them except the last one

[Comic Book Guy]

I concur with Gai.

[Galt]

Well I didn't know what to do with her! And it's not like there's any legal options besides old parker! though as demonstrated and parodied, people care less when it's an older chick and statutory rape .

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Originally Posted by Galt

Well I didn't know what to do with her! And it's not like there's any legal options besides old parker! though as demonstrated and parodied, people care less when it's an older chick and statutory rape .

If it was Daddy Parker then it would nearly be paedophilia