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Old 12-19-2009, 10:13 AM   #1
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Default So... About Strong World, can we count it on the Manga canon? [Spoilers of course]

Well, Strong World is already out, it's awesome according to the ones that saw it, but is still debatable if it count on the manga continuity.

Usually we don't count One Piece movies neither in the manga continuity or the anime, but not only Oda wrote the movie, but he also created the canon chapter 0 that Shiki appears and explain the events of Strong World.

Personally, I see nothing stopping Strong World of being part of the Anime or Manga continuity since it could easily be placed between Thriller Bark and Shanbody Archipelago, but the lack of references on the manga makes it difficult to consider it. (maybe we'll see some characters addressing the events of Luffy vs Shiki showdown now that the Movie is out and won't spoil nothing anymore)

I tried to avoid spoiler is his thread, so unless you read the reviews, this part here is about the obvious Shiki Vs Luffy
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Also, Shiki who is a legendary Pirate that needed Garp and Sengoku to put him down is defeated by Luffy, I don't saw the movie, but reviews confirm that Luffy did beat him, I don't know the circumstances of their fight, but this would put a lot of discussion about Luffy's current power.


So, what you guys think?

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Old 12-19-2009, 10:16 AM   #2
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Also, Shiki who is a legendary Pirate that needed Garp and Sengoku to put him down
Ah, no. So they fought him together, doesn't mean Sengoku couldn't do it by himself. Sengoku was going to deal with Kinjishi accident at the start of chapter 0, but Garp decided to come with him because he wanted to fight. You can say the same happened at Marineford.

Anyway, before I didn't thought we might see Kinjishi again, in the manga, but now... I think we might see him sometime.

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The person who wrote the spoilers said Sengoku was aware of everything that happened and if it was before the WB war arc then he should at least have mentioned it.

If it is cannon then i'm assuming it will happen during the timeskip but it is looking more and more likely that its not cannon because WB was in it and he should be dead after this arc.

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Old 12-19-2009, 12:13 PM   #4
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The person who wrote the spoilers said Sengoku was aware of everything that happened and if it was before the WB war arc then he should at least have mentioned it.

If it is cannon then i'm assuming it will happen during the timeskip but it is looking more and more likely that its not cannon because WB was in it and he should be dead after this arc.
WB wasn,t in the movie there is just a pic of him at the end of the movie so his faith is still unknown.
Anyway didn,t Oda say that this was Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old boy and we should burn this movie into our memory?

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Anything written by Oda is canon for me, I don't care what anyone says.

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I think the only thing that should be considered canon is his plan, his DF, and his island with those monsters.

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I think the only thing that should be considered canon is his plan, his DF, and his island with those monsters.
the entire story was written by oda everything is cannon!

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WB wasn,t in the movie there is just a pic of him at the end of the movie so his faith is still unknown.
Do you know this for a fact or are you assuming ?

Because WB and Garp where in the trailer.

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Do you know this for a fact or are you assuming ?

Because WB and Garp where in the trailer.
WB isn,t in the trailer your talking abouth the trailer for oda,s first draft of the story.
And this information was from Greg who saw the movie, WB is in the end credits but we don,t know if it is just to remember him because he died or that he is stil alive.

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the entire story was written by oda everything is cannon!
Manga canon loooooolz.

I doubt Luffy is going to be the one known for taking out Shiki in the mangaka.

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Logically it takes place between Thriller Bark and the Redline, I really don't have a problem with fitting in into the established manga continuity. As for Luffy beating this guy that Garp and Sengoku beat 20 years ago, I really don't have that big of a problem with it. It was 20 years ago, Shiki has since spent time in ID and had both of his legs amputated. For all we know he spent the last 20 years slacking off and not training relying on his plan and as a result his abilities have regressed considerably.

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Logically it takes place between Thriller Bark and the Redline, I really don't have a problem with fitting in into the established manga continuity.
Are there any spoilers on how Zoro is? If he's still gimped from the aftermath of TB in the movie, then yeah, it'll be after TB. If not, then it either takes place before, or it simply takes place outside of the manga's chronological canon, just like the other movies.

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Yea I would say that it's canon.

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I didn't see it, but did Luffy beat him alone or with his crew ? Also, Shiki was already old in the past, and now he's older and has no legs.

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I didn't see it, but did Luffy beat him alone or with his crew ? Also, Shiki was already old in the past, and now he's older and has no legs.
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He also gets taken out by a pretty powerfull atack.

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You know what else was written by Oda?


SO IT MUST BE MANGA CANON!!!!

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I didn't see it, but did Luffy beat him alone or with his crew ? Also, Shiki was already old in the past, and now he's older and has no legs.

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I saw a spoiler video of the attack, Luffy was alone and it was a pretty damn powerful attack for what I saw, and it could be argued that Shiki is even stronger without his legs

Shiki's ability allow him to control any non-organic thing, by cutting his own legs and replacing them with swords, Shiki gained the ability to fly by controlling his swords.


I hope someone question Oda about the continuity of the movie in Jump festa.

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Old 12-20-2009, 09:33 AM   #18
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I saw a spoiler video of the attack, Luffy was alone and it was a pretty damn powerful attack for what I saw, and it could be argued that Shiki is even stronger without his legs

Shiki's ability allow him to control any non-organic thing, by cutting his own legs and replacing them with swords, Shiki gained the ability to fly by controlling his swords.


I hope someone question Oda about the continuity of the movie in Jump festa.
Well, Greg did say there was a new info about the movie however, he didn't posted anything about it yet.

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Sorry, I had to bump/necro this. I've been debating with several members in both the Library and Davy Back section the past couple of days regarding if this movie is canon or not, so this thread is relevant.

I didn't want this Strong World discussion to clutter up the Davy Back section as this is a Ohara Library debate and I didn't want to open up a new thread, so this is the only thread I found via Google that pertains to this subject.

That said, Strong World was an awesome movie and Oda did a great job contributing to it, but it is not canon w/ the manga. I've invited those I've debated with to this thread to discuss, let's see if they show up.

Once again, sorry for the necro.

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^ Is Hiruzen still on your case on that?

Hard to say, really. Oda wrote it, but the events in the movie didn't seem realistic.

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