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Old 08-10-2009, 12:20 AM   #1
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:15 AM   #2
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Elaine is like, an actual omnipotent.

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So just for future reference, is Haruhi (even at full awareness) just a human with reality warping?

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Old 08-10-2009, 10:14 AM   #4
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So just for future reference, is Haruhi (even at full awareness) just a human with reality warping?
At full awareness, she lives up to her status as God.

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At full awareness, her brain would shut down from all of the extrasensory input.

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Old 08-10-2009, 08:36 PM   #6
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At full awareness, her brain woul shut down from all of the extrasensory input.
At full awareness, she'll have removed the limit/rationality on her imagination and let things happen at will, knowing that she's capable of doing so.

The only reason why Haruhi hasn't taken up the mantle of "God" is because her own doubt clashes with her desire for the existence of the extraordinary.

Case in point, she wants an Esper, Time-traveler and shifter to exist, but her rationality tells her that such things can't possibly exist in the real world, which is why things don't go the way she wants them to. (Even though they actually do, because she desired that they all came to be in the SOS-dan)

"The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi" is a series literally about everything she wants to happen, happening, yet her not being aware of it.

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At the end of the series, Elaine is not only omnipotent but omnipresent. Lucifer even commented that omnipresence is one of the more difficult powers to master; Elaine was able to do it.

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Elaine>Haruhi

Hell, Archangel Elaine (or goddess or guardian spirit depending how you look at it)

Could probably take Current Haruhi...

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Don't you just love omnipotent battles?

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Elaine would win this since her feats are much better since she was able to alter things in the universe at will. She also became omniscient after she decided to merge with her universe that she created.

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She already was omniscient as seen with the whole don't follow her out line in the bar.

She becamse Omnipresent

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At full awareness, she'll have removed the limit/rationality on her imagination and let things happen at will, knowing that she's capable of doing so.

The only reason why Haruhi hasn't taken up the mantle of "God" is because her own doubt clashes with her desire for the existence of the extraordinary.

Case in point, she wants an Esper, Time-traveler and shifter to exist, but her rationality tells her that such things can't possibly exist in the real world, which is why things don't go the way she wants them to. (Even though they actually do, because she desired that they all came to be in the SOS-dan)

"The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi" is a series literally about everything she wants to happen, happening, yet her not being aware of it.
She also wants a slider to exist, but there aren't any. Because that would involve affecting more than one universe.

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She also wants a slider to exist, but there aren't any. Because that would involve affecting more than one universe.
Except there is one.. Yuki Nagato. Koizumi is the Esper and Mikuru is the time-traveler.

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Except there is one.. Yuki Nagato. Koizumi is the Esper and Mikuru is the time-traveler.
Um, no. Yuki is the alien. Do you even know the basics of the series you are debating?

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Um, no. Yuki is the alien. Do you even know the basics of the series you are debating?
Uh, yes? Yuki is an alien who can go in and out of different dimensions.

Are you finished playing with semantics?

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Uh, yes? Yuki is an alien who can go in and out of different dimensions.

Are you finished playing with semantics?
And these supposed dimensions were explained to be different universes when?

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They are not, in fact her race exists in the physical universe just like any other, they are just imperceptible to most matter-based races unless they use an interface. This was explained clearly in the novels.

Yuki is not from another universe.

Haruhi gets raped against any decently competent reality warper.

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And these supposed dimensions were explained to be different universes when?
When was it established that sliders are beings from different universes?

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Yuki is not from another universe.

Haruhi gets raped against any decently competent reality warper.
Ah.. the old ""Try to make the other guy look weaker by expressing them in the power rankings of the other guy's series" trick. Sorry, doesn't fly.

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When was it established that sliders are beings from different universes?
Ever since you have another fiction where the concept sliders is traveling between different universes. An entire TV show of the name represents the concept well enough. The characters in that series traveled between different parallel universes.

Again, when exactly was it ever suggested that any of the Haruhi characters went beyond just the limits of one universe? It's a simple question.
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Ah.. the old ""Try to make the other guy look weaker by expressing them in the power rankings of the other guy's series" trick. Sorry, doesn't fly.
No, it's just simple common sense. Haruhi just isn't that special by comparison.

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Ever since you have another fiction where the concept sliders is traveling between different universes. An entire TV show of the name represents the concept well enough. The characters in that series traveled between different parallel universes.

Again, when exactly was it ever suggested that any of the Haruhi characters went beyond just the limits of one universe? It's a simple question.
Ahhh. I wasn't aware of that. I always thought "sliders" meant people who can travel through different dimensions, not entire universes. I stand corrected then. =)

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When I said "comparing" to another series, I meant "compare to series that regularly deals w/multiverses at the drop of a hat" which the Suzumiya series doesn't, as it's not as epic. But in terms of ability, she's still able to destroy/create/recreate as "God" would be able to.

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