Pain Vs. Sarutobi

Hiruzen
12-05-2008, 11:42 AM
Restrictions? Location? Distance? State of Mind? Is Sarutobi prime or old?

Come on at least take some time making the thread :pek

Dylan
12-05-2008, 11:48 AM
It would be a great fight. But in the end, its obvious Pain would win. He is younger and therefore faster and has more stamina. Also, he has his Rasengan bloodtrait which would just give him extra help in this battle.

Vivo Diez
12-05-2008, 12:18 PM
If Sarutobi is old:
Pein Wins with ease, Sarutobi hasn't shown any skills worthy of the kage name in my opinion.The only reason Sarutobi lasted that long in the fight vs Orochimaru, is because of his monkey king summon and the death reaper jutsu.
If Sarutobi is 30-55 years old
I don't really know his previous strength, but since his students were the only ones to gain the "sanin rank", I would say that he was very powerful, since Orochimaru admitted himself that Sarutobi could have beaten him if he was younger.
So I would guess...A win with medium difficulty.

Itachi's Apprentice 3
12-05-2008, 01:01 PM
If its old Sarutobi Pein should take this with only Medium level difficulty. Sarutobi simply doesnt have the stamina or the jutsu to handle all of Pein's bodies simaltaneously. At best he could only take out mabey one body with Death God Jutsu but since that jutsu is so time consuming the other Pein bodies would kill him before he had the chance. If this is Prime Sarutobi, due to vastily superior chakra and stamina he may indeed have a chance at winning but he would still take this with very high difficulty.

Soul
12-05-2008, 01:16 PM
I think that Sarutobi can win in his prime

Come on, he is top tier in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and Taijutsu; why his jutsus won't handle Pain?

And in his prime I am almost sure that he had a nice stamina

Karma カルマ
12-05-2008, 01:28 PM
Both times he loses. Pain killed someone that man handled all three Sannin at the same time. Sure Sandaime could have beat Oro in his prime but I am pretty sure he could not have handled all three of his students at the same time especially since all three of them at one point or another were in line for Hokage.

Bankai Goku
12-05-2008, 02:10 PM
alright so let's see the odds: in the only fight we see from 3rd he is already old and still he could put up a fight with orochimaru and like he said he could be beaten if sarutobi was ten years younger, has learned several justu and was trained by 1st and 2nd.

Pain is also very powerful, he has lots of bodies and he killed jiraya woch proves he is very strong.

so from previous replys we have a tie (or maybe not, no paicience to count)

clador
12-05-2008, 02:33 PM
If Sarutobi is old:
use of his monkey king summon and the death reaper jutsu.[/I]
If Sarutobi is 30-55 years old
I don't really know his previous strength, but since his students were the only ones to gain the "sanin rank", I would say that he was very powerful, since Orochimaru admitted himself that Sarutobi could have beaten him if he was younger.
So I would guess...A win with medium difficulty.

well you can't beat pein unless you know his secret
so only jiraiya can beat him actually

Both times he loses. Pain killed someone that man handled all three Sannin at the same time.


they were TEENAGER at that time
no summon , no expernence , no much chakra , no jutsu .specific..

Nikushimi
12-05-2008, 04:34 PM
Pain rapes. Old Sarutobi could possibly eliminate two or three bodies with Shiku Fuujin and die as a result of that, but that's the best-case scenerio for him. Prime Sarutobi lacks Shiki Fuujin, so he basically can't beat any of the bodies with the movepool we have seen from him so far. Though I'm sure he could give them a decent fight, but with all six attacking him at once I just can't see him actually killing any of them; he's mainly a Ninjutsu specialist and his Ninjutsu is nullified completely. Rinnegan coordination and Tendou's gravity powers make Taijutsu virtually useless and all that really leaves him with is Genjutsu, which he hasn't shown exceptional proficiency towards.

Rescuebear
12-05-2008, 05:43 PM
Old Sarutobi would lose to Pain, simply put.

Prime Sarutobi could beat him, Pein may think he's a god. But is his nickname the "god of shinobi"?

Oh, and @ Niku.
I thought Taijutsu was the third hokage's specialty. He's just uber at Ninjutsu as well.

Lord Stark
12-05-2008, 05:54 PM
Pain rapes.
I tend to disagree.
Old Sarutobi could possibly eliminate two or three bodies with Shiku Fuujin and die as a result of that, but that's the best-case scenerio for him.
How is this Rape? 2-3 bodies is alot.
Prime Sarutobi lacks Shiki Fuujin, so he basically can't beat any of the bodies with the movepool we have seen from him so far.
Prime Sarutobi knew 'Every Jutsu in Konoha' included in his thousand Jutsu arsenal. I believe this cannonically includes, all fire jutsus, all of Nidaime's water techniques, that darkness Genjutsu that the two Hokages used, massive Doton techniques, the ability to open gates, and of the First's (Yamato's) Water techniques, as well as the ability to seal bijuu, and Shiki Fuujin.
Though I'm sure he could give them a decent fight, but with all six attacking him at once I just can't see him actually killing any of them; he's mainly a Ninjutsu specialist and his Ninjutsu is nullified completely. Rinnegan coordination and Tendou's gravity powers make Taijutsu virtually useless and all that really leaves him with is Genjutsu, which he hasn't shown exceptional proficiency towards.
Adamantine staff, Enma will be an excellent help, are you telling me the man who fought off the First and Second Hokage's +Orochimaru, cannot fight off Six bodies of Pein. Sarutobi had a vast array of techniques, as well as a massive amount of Chakra, Shadow clones would be as easy for him as Naruto. Pein can pretend he is God all he wants, but Sandaime is widely regarded as a God of Shinobi. Sandaime Prime takes this.

Ryuzaki
12-05-2008, 07:37 PM
Prime Sarutobi would be the perfect ninja and he has a all 5's in everything except for factors that are limited by age, stamina, speed and strength. He would solo Pain and make it home in time to solo the rest of Akatsuki and Madara all by himself.

Gspot
12-05-2008, 11:40 PM
Both times Sarutobi. Pain killed someone that man handled all three Sannin at the same time. Sure Sandaime could have beat Oro in his prime but I am pretty sure he could not have handled all three of his students at the same time especially since all three of them at one point or another were in line for Hokage.

There is a subtle mistake in this post that leads to a wrong conclusion. Pein killed someone that manhandled all three young Sannin at the same time. It's obvious that the Sannin at the time were nowhere near as powerful as they became - they were naiive, inexperienced, not as strong, not as wise, not as resourceful, etc. They were probably all high-jounin level or a little higher, not solid kage-level. Based on hype, prime Sarutobi probably could've done the same (solo-ed young Sannin).

Nikushimi
12-06-2008, 02:50 AM
Oh, and @ Niku.
I thought Taijutsu was the third hokage's specialty. He's just uber at Ninjutsu as well.

No. Sarutobi is and always has been a Ninjutsu specialist first and foremost, as far as we have seen. His Taijutsu statistic is pretty high (tier 5), but his Speed and Power statistics are both 3s, meaning he is slower than Genin Lee and weaker physically than Kakashi. This is old Sarutobi, though. As a "youngster", I can see him being a 4 in both areas, meaning he'd be comparable to Kakuzu's raw physical ability. Combined with his 5s in the three major aspects of shinobi combat and his greater Stamina reserves, it is easy to see why he would be called the "God of Shinobi."

However.

There are shinobi, and then there are monsters/forces of nature. Pain falls into the latter category, along with Itachi, Madara, and Minato. Sarutobi being younger is a boost to his basic abilities, but...all we ever saw were a bunch of B-Rank Jutsus. Without Shiki Fuujin, sorry to say, that's hardly enough to bring down the Pain Rikudou when they are fighting together all at once, especially given Gakidou Pain's absorption ability and Tendou's force deflection.

Rescuebear
12-06-2008, 04:05 AM
No. Sarutobi is and always has been a Ninjutsu specialist first and foremost, as far as we have seen. His Taijutsu statistic is pretty high (tier 5), but his Speed and Power statistics are both 3s, meaning he is slower than Genin Lee and weaker physically than Kakashi. This is old Sarutobi, though. As a "youngster", I can see him being a 4 in both areas, meaning he'd be comparable to Kakuzu's raw physical ability. Combined with his 5s in the three major aspects of shinobi combat and his greater Stamina reserves, it is easy to see why he would be called the "God of Shinobi."
Sarutobi was well beyond his prime, he looked about Kakashi's age when he took on Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru as students. And the Sannin are old now. I wouldn't be surprised if Sarutobi's Stats were perfect 5's. Old Sarutobi was just a glimpse of what earned him the "god of shinobi" and "hokage" titles. Even Enma thought that the 3rd's performance against Orochimaru was "miserable" compared to Hiruzen's prime.

However.

There are shinobi, and then there are monsters/forces of nature. Pain falls into the latter category, along with Itachi, Madara, and Minato. Sarutobi being younger is a boost to his basic abilities, but...all we ever saw were a bunch of B-Rank Jutsus. Without Shiki Fuujin, sorry to say, that's hardly enough to bring down the Pain Rikudou when they are fighting together all at once, especially given Gakidou Pain's absorption ability and Tendou's force deflection.
Iruka believes that the 3rd Hokage was the strongest hokage, and considering Minato died very young it could be true. Or at least the 4th hadn't surpassed him by so much that it was plainly obvious.

Darth
12-06-2008, 04:29 AM
Sarutobi was well beyond his prime, he looked about Kakashi's age when he took on Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru as students. And the Sannin are old now. I wouldn't be surprised if Sarutobi's Stats were perfect 5's. Old Sarutobi was just a glimpse of what earned him the "god of shinobi" and "hokage" titles. Even Enma thought that the 3rd's performance against Orochimaru was "miserable" compared to Hiruzen's prime.


Kakashi was 26 when he took on his students.. Sarutobi looked almost 40..

Sarutobi in his prime rapestomps with medium difficulty..

old sarutobi takes 5/6 bodies down with him..

Gspot
12-06-2008, 10:35 AM
There are shinobi, and then there are monsters/forces of nature. Pain falls into the latter category, along with Itachi, Madara, and Minato.

Lol, nice try, putting Itachi in that group, even ahead of Madara and Minato. Itachi is a dog compared to these monsters. If they were to battle, Itachi would die quickly and sadly by his own techniques without even being able to harm someone like Madara.

Grimmjowsensei
12-06-2008, 06:23 PM
Old Sarutobi's limit is most likely 2 bodies or 3 of the weakest ones, top. He had nothing impressive aside from shiki fuuin(which wouldn't work on Pain's bodies) and enma.

Prime Sarutobi could take 3 maybe 4 bodies but again, thats me being very optimistic. Having more stamina doesn't give him the win, he needs a powerful arsenal to get rid of Pain and he lacks such arsenal.

Lord Stark
12-06-2008, 07:12 PM
Old Sarutobi's limit is most likely 2 bodies or 3 of the weakest ones, top. He had nothing impressive aside from shiki fuuin(which wouldn't work on Pain's bodies) and enma.
We don't have proof Shiki Fuuin wouldn't work. But pretty much I agree 2-3 bodies KO'd by old Sandaime

Prime Sarutobi could take 3 maybe 4 bodies but again, thats me being very optimistic. Having more stamina doesn't give him the win, he needs a powerful arsenal to get rid of Pain and he lacks such arsenal.
:rofl:hoho:ryoma
Prime Sarutobi lacks the arsenal. :sarutobi
Sarutobi in his prime was known as the God of Shinobi, had over 1000 justu and had mastered every technique in Konoha. The only other character with so many jutsu is Kakashi, and he had Sharingan. Sarutobi lacks the Sharingan and still managed to match the feat. Surely a Genius to say the least. Prime Sarutobi stomps

The Bloody Nine
12-06-2008, 07:56 PM
As others said Pain is a force of a nature. Old sarutobi would probably do little better than Kakashi.

Sarutobi Prime could probably take out 3-4 bodies, but i seriously doubt he has any sort of chance at actually beating Pain.

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