Superman (Normal) vs. Hulk (Normal)

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lucky
01-28-2006, 10:58 AM
I don't get why people say that. If it really were, his use of his heat vision on Doomsday (when he used close to max power, so that it had enough energy to impart force) would have ionized the atmosphere and melted everything around him. It's more likely that people say that because he can use his heat vision as a razor to trim his beard. It's inconsistent to the last degree, for one thing, in most comics, his hair and nails don't grow when powered, because his invulnerability prevents his pores from opening to allow a hair follicle to pass through it. Also, his heat vision is yellow-sun energy converted to red-spectrum energy and expelled through his eyes, and since he loses his metahuman abilities the longer he's exposed to red-sun energy, it probably weakens his hair enough to be burned away by a direct blast...or one reflected off a mirror.


probably didn't want to destroy his friends around him.

It's pretty convenient that Superman is able to go into the sun when the sun is the source of his metahuman invulnerability.

you're right. i didn't put that into consideration.


and i've seen superman bloody and shit without bein close to the red sun, and you're talking bout hulk getting cut by Adamantium. one of if not the most strongest metal in the universe, some cosmics can't even break it. i'm sure superman in marvel universe would be cut by it as well


superman's all bloody n shit after after expending most of his energy -- he wasn't in his prime. At that point even bullets can go through him. As for wolverine and adamantium, i'm not saying that adamantium can't cut superman, but there would have to be alot of force exerted to be able to cut through something so dense. Wolverine's strength was sufficient enough to cut the hulk.

But then again the way i see it the hulk isn't as 'tough' as superman but he regenerates damn fast. superman is 'tougher' but but can't regenerate like hulk can. Trade off durability.

Which is why i sitll think lobotomy with heat vision is a viable optino against the hulk... sure the hulk might be able to take heat vision, heal and keep coming butwhat if superman fries the part of his brain that gets him angry first?



not comparing those fights at all sorry for the confusion. i use those fights as to say hulk has fought people like supes before. but i didn't say hyperion > supes or equals supes. i'm just stating the case just because superman has a list of super-powers and hulk's list isn't as big doesn't mean he's gonna win the fight which is what yall base everything on. if half his powers doesn't even affect the hulk even though yall are tryin to force the powers to affect the hulk even when hulk has taken more powerful blasts than heat visions and freeze breaths.


It's not so much that the hulk's taken more powerful blasts as the method the blasts are used... like i know that this is the ultimate universe so it's not canon, but the principle applies. The hulk's taken physical force, right? Wasp used physical force to fuck around wiht his brain to turn him back into banner...

just as i'm saying that superman isn't going to try to incinerate the hulk by spraying heat vision... it's possible that the hulk will keep healing and try to pull one like on gladiator. It's very possible that he'll pull a wasp and shoot concentrated focused heat vision right at his mendulla oblongata or watever it is. Attack the source, if you will. That's what the wasp did.




don't see what punches have to do with the thunderclap, and did u see how much damage the thunderclap other than just hyperion. the thunderclap is using soundwaves, punches do not use that. thunderclap is goin straight for the ear drums my friend. but its not like i said the thunderclap will kill supes, but an all-out powerful thunderclap which i figure it would be considering he's not gonna use it til he figure out how fast supes is will really put superman down.


The physics of the sound is the same. Thunderclap is the sound he made by the palms of his hands contacting each other... 'boom's' are sounds made by big fists contacting someone's body. The sound generated by both are still sound waves. As for the damage, it's not very different from superman throwing a punch and with a big "kaboom!" destroying his entire house and gouging a crater.



in his fight with juggernaut Thor saw that he couldn't win and figured out that juggs powers were in fact mystic so he threw his hammer to where he figured to be the source of the mystical energies of the planet and knocked out all energies. he proceeded in kicken juggs ass until the hammer came back and the energy came back. seein as how that plan wouldn't work he tied his hammer on juggs hands after he caught to punches and threw juggernaut off the planet and only the hammer came back. that was the second Thor vs Juggernaut fight.



ok then!


superman can get all the power-ups in the world, but a fight against normal hulk will spell disaster. hulk doesn't need power-ups every now and then considering he gets a power-up everytime he gets angry.


lol dude i know that you think hulk would win against superman but isn't saying that 'no matter waht powerups he gets supes will lose' kind of extreme?

War hulk beat juggy, didn't he? Doesn't juggy usually kick hulk's ass?

i know superman uses his powers well but u can't just keep saying because he can do this and that means he'll win. he normally loses to people who are just ass-kickin machines. doomsday and mongul kicked his ass.


Doomsday and superman kicked each other's asses. I didn't keep track of all of mongul vs. superman, but the time i remember mongul kicking his ass was after superman was VERY very weakened from lack of yellow sun. Hardly counts. They can't anymore.

unknowndanex
01-28-2006, 05:05 PM
and you think Gladiator was at his best when he battled the Hulk? Unless Gladiator is the king of CIS and PIS then I doubt it lol so many things were wrong with that fight its not even funny. Plus you have to consider that the Hulk incarnation that faught Gladiator was more powerful then normal Hulk. Thats like me pulling up a feat of a sundipped Superman to support Superman's victory. Its highly implied in that fight that Gladiator would have beaten a regular Hulk fairly easily.

Sure, Doomsday wasnt at his best, but he was still damn powerful considering he just handed Martian Manhunter his ass. Still compareable to the Hulk and superman destroyed him.

Also the whole point of having Lex's speech captioned as Superman faught Doomsday was to show how Superman had grown and he isnt what he used to be, in a good way.

um what are u talking about, that was a weaker version of the Hulk that did that. u should also notice that for some reason when Superman is getting a big battle DC makes the rest of the JLA look like shit. and all the caption was talking bout was peace and the challenge ahead, but if u pay attention to superman they reason doomsday was beaten that easily was cause of his confidence and he experienced fear. doomsday didn't fight like he did the other time, remember doomsday also gets stronger after every battle but no one had beat him like imperiex did.

How will it not work on the Hulk? I have mentioned this several times and no one has even tried to counter it yet. Doomsday wasnt even able to touch Superman when Superman didnt want to be touched. He could just vibrate to intangibility and evade all attacks, what is Hulk gunna do? Honestly, what is he going to do? For Superman it will be open house on Hulk's ass while Hulk wont be able to lay a finger on Superman.

cause i have shown hulk face people that were that fast, gladiator fights in nanoseconds. he has fought hyperion and handed him his ass (hulk that is). his reflexes are ranked pretty high, thats why he was able to catch SS on his board. and beat all the other fast people that were supposed to use their superior speed to beat him.

Darkseid is a jobber now. Superman beats Darkseid on almost a weekly basis, its actually pretty sad really Not to long ago Superman, single handedly, fought off a Apokolips invasion force INCLUDEING Darkseid himself while taking almost no damage. Not to mention Superman beating Darkseid to the point where the mighty tyrant was begging for his life. The Doomsday-Darkseid thing says absolutely nothing about Superman.

And yes, its undeniable, Current Superman (post OWAW Superman) >>>> DOS Superman.

have to give u that one, they did throw darkseid to the side now. but gladiator and hyperion >>>> DOS Superman so whats the point. hyperion actually did try to use his speed on the hulk and it didn't work. marvel heroes are very adept at adapting to speed. gladiator was running circles around Thor but he adapted to the fight. Hulk beat Namor, IronMan, WonderMan, and Hercules at the same time in Incredible Hulk 316. Namor is pretty damn fast and so is WonderMan, IronMan is fast depending on the suit. don't worry i'm not saying they're as fast as superman cause WonderMan was probably the fastes and he was at 25,000mph. but hulk is no way near that speed and won the fight.

It's not so much that the hulk's taken more powerful blasts as the method the blasts are used... like i know that this is the ultimate universe so it's not canon, but the principle applies. The hulk's taken physical force, right? Wasp used physical force to fuck around wiht his brain to turn him back into banner...

just as i'm saying that superman isn't going to try to incinerate the hulk by spraying heat vision... it's possible that the hulk will keep healing and try to pull one like on gladiator. It's very possible that he'll pull a wasp and shoot concentrated focused heat vision right at his mendulla oblongata or watever it is. Attack the source, if you will. That's what the wasp did.

well how will superman know that the hulk is bruce banner anyway. wasp knew the source and superman doesn't. and ultimate is canon just not 616 canon. just gotta specify the version of hulk now.

lol dude i know that you think hulk would win against superman but isn't saying that 'no matter waht powerups he gets supes will lose' kind of extreme?

War hulk beat juggy, didn't he? Doesn't juggy usually kick hulk's ass?

that was kinda over zealous i sometimes say stupid things on that order. didn't really mean that statment, its just that bullet can really push me especially with the lying about hyperion vs gladiator.

Doomsday and superman kicked each other's asses. I didn't keep track of all of mongul vs. superman, but the time i remember mongul kicking his ass was after superman was VERY very weakened from lack of yellow sun. Hardly counts. They can't anymore.

yeah i hear u, i was just pointing out that these guys weren't on superman's level of speed and got the job done. i've shown hulk face superman like characters, hulk has aways been shown to adjust to his opponents speed. Namor flew from the hulk and jumped in the water and started swimming, and hulk still caught him.

ok here we go........and i'm not longer going for sake of the argument

the fight will all depend on when and if superman gets to the point that he has to take hulk to the sun.

hulk can't take the sun, but if superman waits too long which he most likely will because hulk is not a menace to the world, and too long is not that long of a time. he won't be able to do it because hulk's reflexes will be too high at that point and he will just power out his grasp. he will be able to power out because superman is not constantly gaining strength during the fight and hulk is. to me thats the only way superman can conceivably when.

but put these cats in an unbreakble field powered by all the psychics in both universes. superman will lose the fight.

its not like i'm saying Hulk will beat superman 100 percent or vice versa, it all depends on the place and the situation. first time fighting though, i'll give it to the hulk before superman.

Viciousness
01-28-2006, 05:48 PM
I'd have to give it to Hulk. As unknowndanex has shown he has the reflexes to deal with speed freak opponents. Sure Superman could just dodge all day but as soon as he stops to go on the offensive like he did with doomsday hes probably going to get hit. Hulk seems to be capable of taking everything Superman can dish out and growing more powerful with each blow. Sure people on Supes side are bringing up what if's like what if Superman knows the exact part of Hulks oblangada to target so Hulk cant get his adreneline release or something. But knowing a weakness like that which took another villain research to figure out is like saying what if Hulk knows Supes weakness is kryptonite and brings a peice.


Superman is probably going to keep hitting Hulk getting him angrier and more powerful until his power eclipses supermans own, and his reflexes will be on point to use that power and bash Superman unconscious. If Supes decides to dispose of Hulk before that by flying him away somewhere of course he'd win but thats almost like a cop out. If he tries to fight him like he fought doomsday, Hulk will probably win. As far as Bullets scans go Unknowndanex already shot down most of those and pointed out Bullet lying, just as he was convinced he was right in the past before getting completely shot down.

Scorpio3.14
01-28-2006, 08:18 PM
um what are u talking about, that was a weaker version of the Hulk that did that.

IIRC the version of the Hulk that fought Gladiator was merged Hulk. The strength & healing of Savage Hulk with the intelligence of Bruce Banner. The only reason some see him as weakers is that he had a cap to his strength, when he got too mad he turned into Savage Banner which was useless lol I guess I should clarify though, when I said a more powerful version of the Hulk, I didnt mean physcially stronger, I ment a better fighter and more effective for this fight. I guess more powerful was a bad choice of words.

However my origional point still stands. Gladiator would have killed Hulk twice in that fight if it wasnt for Merged Hulk's intelligence. Hulk stated himself that Gladiator would have killed Hulk if he didnt come up with that "backfire" thing. Also Hulk stated that he would have died when Gladiator took him to space if he didnt quickly think of the thunder clap idea. Like I said, Gladiator would have whooped regular Hulk and Hulk pretty much stated that fact.

u should also notice that for some reason when Superman is getting a big battle DC makes the rest of the JLA look like shit.

All the stuff I was talkinga bout was done in Superman's own comic when none of the JLA was around. However, you should also notice that for some reason when Hulk is gettign a big battle Marvel makes whoever he is fighting look like shit *cough*Gladiator*cough* If Gladiator really could fight between nanoseconds, Hulk whould not have even had time to process that he was being taken to space before he was already there. PIS should not be used as evidense in a battle dome fight.

and all the caption was talking bout was peace and the challenge ahead, but if u pay attention to superman they reason doomsday was beaten that easily was cause of his confidence and he experienced fear. doomsday didn't fight like he did the other time, remember doomsday also gets stronger after every battle but no one had beat him like imperiex did.

Actually it was later revieled that Doomsday evolving intelligence after being killed by Imperiex actually did make him stronger. Atleast according to Apokolipian scientists who are millions of years more advanced then Earths lol

cause i have shown hulk face people that were that fast, gladiator fights in nanoseconds. he has fought hyperion and handed him his ass (hulk that is). his reflexes are ranked pretty high, thats why he was able to catch SS on his board. and beat all the other fast people that were supposed to use their superior speed to beat him.

Can you show me a time where Hulk beats someone actually useing Super-speed? Ive read the Gladiator vs Hulk fight and Gladiator dosnt use his super speed like you claim he did. The closest thing to it that Gladiator did was try to take Hulk up to space however even that took like ~10 seconds atleast and space is only about 60 miles up, thast waaaaaaaaaaay under the speed of light. What happened to that nanosecond stuff????


well how will superman know that the hulk is bruce banner anyway. wasp knew the source and superman doesn't. and ultimate is canon just not 616 canon. just gotta specify the version of hulk now.

Possible the same way Hulk magically knew that Gladiator had a weakness to certain kinds of radiation? :P Just another reason why the Gladiator/Hulk fight was such BS.

Bullet
01-28-2006, 11:00 PM
[QUOTE=DrunkenYoshimaster]I'd have to give it to Hulk.

Lets see why.:)

As unknowndanex has shown he has the reflexes to deal with speed freak opponents.

No he hasn't.

Sure Superman could just dodge all day but as soon as he stops to go on the offensive like he did with doomsday hes probably going to get hit.

Even if Superman does get hit (which I doubt), he's durable enough to take Hulk punches.

Hulk seems to be capable of taking everything Superman can dish out and growing more powerful with each blow.

Hulk isn't going to be walking through hundreds of punches every second, for every punch Hulk give Supes, he'll be getting 100 more in return. Also, Hulk isn't walking through Heat Vision either.


Sure people on Supes side are bringing up what if's like what if Superman knows the exact part of Hulks oblangada to target so Hulk cant get his adreneline release or something.

Were not bringing any what if's.:huh Superman can do the same thing Ironman, Thor, and countless others who has beaten Hulk, and that's by brute force. Superman is more than strong enough to do it, and is far faster than any of them.

Superman is probably going to keep hitting Hulk getting him angrier and more powerful until his power eclipses supermans own,

Hulk does feel pain and he doesn't grow in strength really fast. Superman can beat Hulk with physical force alone, but he can end much faster by using all of his other powers.

and his reflexes will be on point to use that power and bash Superman unconscious.

When has Hulk ever gotten so angry that his reflexes got on par with someone as fast as Superman? Hulk can't even it Spiderman when he's enrage, he'll never come close to being fast enough to hit Superman.


If Supes decides to dispose of Hulk before that by flying him away somewhere of course he'd win but thats almost like a cop out.

Superman can speedbiltz Hulk before he ever new what happened, melt him with Heat Vision, take into space where he can't breath or just beat on him in the air with a combination of his powers (Hulk won't be able to do a since he can't fly), or just create a vortex sucking up all the air from Hulk. Hulk has nothing that will really help him, his strength alone isn't enough.

If he tries to fight him like he fought doomsday, Hulk will probably win.

Hulk isn't Doomsday. :)

As far as Bullets scans go Unknowndanex already shot down most of those and pointed out Bullet lying,


No he hasn't. He hasn't brung any proof and I've sut down all his arguements just like I doing to yours.smile-big

just as he was convinced he was right in the past before getting completely shot down.

Bring a better arguement next time.smile-big

unknowndanex
01-29-2006, 04:25 AM
bullet u haven't shut down anything considering u couldn't say anything to me after i showed the hyperion/gladiator scan from the comic u claimed u have. and as i've seen u responded to nothing i said, u must be digging for comics or searching for ones u don't own, but u haven't shut down anything. i'm talkin to scorpio and lucky now unless u come with a factual statement instead of a "what i think and i love superman" statement. now what haven't i brought proof of, like i said before i showed hulk fighting a superman like person, hulk has beaten hyperion unless u want me to show that pic too. u have nothing for me so leave it alone.

to scorpio now........

IIRC the version of the Hulk that fought Gladiator was merged Hulk. The strength & healing of Savage Hulk with the intelligence of Bruce Banner. The only reason some see him as weakers is that he had a cap to his strength, when he got too mad he turned into Savage Banner which was useless lol I guess I should clarify though, when I said a more powerful version of the Hulk, I didnt mean physcially stronger, I ment a better fighter and more effective for this fight. I guess more powerful was a bad choice of words.

However my origional point still stands. Gladiator would have killed Hulk twice in that fight if it wasnt for Merged Hulk's intelligence. Hulk stated himself that Gladiator would have killed Hulk if he didnt come up with that "backfire" thing. Also Hulk stated that he would have died when Gladiator took him to space if he didnt quickly think of the thunder clap idea. Like I said, Gladiator would have whooped regular Hulk and Hulk pretty much stated that fact.

thank you for clearing that up, i understand where u're coming from now. but u can't really say that normal hulk wouldn't have thought of that, considering he goes off random motions to a fight, so thats really up to the premises of the fight and whats going on. i'm not saying hulk will do it or not, but there is a chance he would and no one can really say he would not. its basically 50/50 with the thunderclap idea.

All the stuff I was talkinga bout was done in Superman's own comic when none of the JLA was around. However, you should also notice that for some reason when Hulk is gettign a big battle Marvel makes whoever he is fighting look like shit *cough*Gladiator*cough* If Gladiator really could fight between nanoseconds, Hulk whould not have even had time to process that he was being taken to space before he was already there. PIS should not be used as evidense in a battle dome fight.

well like i said before, hulk's reflexes have increased before and after Heroes Reborn. Also , Banner has also gotten more control of the Hulk as well making him more level-headed so he's not an idiot as well, so actually i would say he would probably most likely do that thunderclap. it hasn't been revealed to what extent his reflexes have changed, but they have. i referred to the JLA cause u referred to Doomsday beating them.

Actually it was later revieled that Doomsday evolving intelligence after being killed by Imperiex actually did make him stronger. Atleast according to Apokolipian scientists who are millions of years more advanced then Earths lol

wasn't saying doomsday wasn't stronger cause thats his power. but doomsday was never beaten in a way imperiex did. when doomsday fought to a draw with superman he still killed him and it was a good fight. but imperiex just beat the living hell outta him showing him that he wasn't all that. doomsday came back stronger with fear which he never had. which is why superman was talking about it. he wouldn't refer to it for no reason.

Can you show me a time where Hulk beats someone actually useing Super-speed? Ive read the Gladiator vs Hulk fight and Gladiator dosnt use his super speed like you claim he did. The closest thing to it that Gladiator did was try to take Hulk up to space however even that took like ~10 seconds atleast and space is only about 60 miles up, thast waaaaaaaaaaay under the speed of light. What happened to that nanosecond stuff????

did it say it took 10 seconds i don't remember. if it did it did. but if it didn't then u can't say, comics do like to show things by picture with no clock there to show the clock speed.

i didn't say gladiator used his super-speed against hulk, i said he can and he used it against hyperion. i can't show Hulk catching SS on his board and i saw the hyperion fight through someone else. but Hulk has beaten hyperion on several ocassions. he's beaten the evil hyperion twice and the good hyperion once. i'm sure on one of those ocassions hyperion displayed his speed, but hey i can't supply the scans for that. of course thats all bullet relies on, hopefully scorpio, u'll take my word for it considering i haven't lied. hulk did lose once to the evil hyperion but that was during the Weapon X (Exiles) but i think that was his only win. beyonder also referred to Hulk as power incarnate and said he reminded him of himself back in the Secret Wars. oh yeah Hulk actually outsmarted Thor (savage hulk) in Thor 385 (Be Thou God or Monster). He also fought Silver Surfer and Namor and held his own.

not knowing how powerful Fin Fang Foom's fire is but this is pretty good. just an interesting pic, not trying to prove a point here.

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/finfangfoomresistance.jpg
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/finfangfoomresistance2.jpg


Possible the same way Hulk magically knew that Gladiator had a weakness to certain kinds of radiation? Just another reason why the Gladiator/Hulk fight was such BS.

Gladiator reacted to the radiation.

No he hasn't. He hasn't brung any proof and I've sut down all his arguements just like I doing to yours.

show me where u shot down anything, last time i checked i responded to u and shut down anything u had to say. u have made no points in the comments u made to DrunkenYoshimaster. u talk about superman's versatility, but all u normally talk about is a speedblitz, WOW THAT IS SO VERSATILE.

show me where the hulk has been beaten by brute force.

and of course Hulk isn't Doomsday, that would be a disgrace to the Hulk considering he would kill Doomsday.

Bullet
01-29-2006, 12:09 PM
[QUOTE=unknowndanex]bullet u haven't shut down anything considering u couldn't say anything to me after i showed the hyperion/gladiator scan from the comic u claimed u have.


That's because the other two shut you down, I don't have to respond to every one of your posts. Aslo, you still havn't proven that Gladiator, Thor, and Hyperion fight at high speeds (which you keep avoiding). Gladiator didn't use his abilities aswell as Superman does, the fight with Hulk proves that.

and as i've seen u responded to nothing i said, u must be digging for comics or searching for ones u don't own, but u haven't shut down anything.

Still nothing.

i'm talkin to scorpio and lucky now unless u come with a factual statement instead of a "what i think and i love superman" statement.

Why? so they could shut you down too.

now what haven't i brought proof of, like i said before i showed hulk fighting a superman like person, hulk has beaten hyperion unless u want me to show that pic too. u have nothing for me so leave it alone.

You havn't shown Hulk fighting anyone on Superman's level. Show me a pic of Hulk fighting at high speeds? Show me a pic of Thor, Gladiator, and Hyperion fighting at high speeds, unless your going to continue to avoid it.smile-big


to scorpio now........

I'll be responding too.


well like i said before, hulk's reflexes have increased before and after Heroes Reborn.

By how much has his reflexes have increased? Here's Hulk (enraged) not being able to catch Spiderman (who's not close to Superman in speed).

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Superman way faster than Spiderman, Hulk won't even have time to think when Superman speedbiltzs him.




Also , Banner has also gotten more control of the Hulk as well making him more level-headed so he's not an idiot as well, so actually i would say he would probably most likely do that thunderclap.

Good. But he's still way slower, can't fly, doesn't have any range attacks, and Thunder Clap is useless.smile-big


it hasn't been revealed to what extent his reflexes have changed, but they have.

There not that great compared to Superman's.

wasn't saying doomsday wasn't stronger cause thats his power. but doomsday was never beaten in a way imperiex did.

Imperiex is a being on Galactus level, losing to him isn't bad.


when doomsday fought to a draw with superman he still killed him and it was a good fight.

But what does this have to do with Hulk? Hulk isn't Doomsday.

but imperiex just beat the living hell outta him showing him that he wasn't all that.

Look above to see what Imperiex is.

doomsday came back stronger with fear which he never had.which is why superman was talking about it. he wouldn't refer to it for no reason.

It doesn't matter, Superman has gotten more powerful since there last fight.


did it say it took 10 seconds i don't remember. if it did it did. but if it didn't then u can't say, comics do like to show things by picture with no clock there to show the clock speed.

So you can't prove it.

i didn't say gladiator used his super-speed against hulk, i said he can and he used it against hyperion.

Gladiator has never used his Superspeed, he flies fast that's it, but show a scan of him fighting at high speed?

i can't show Hulk catching SS on his board and i saw the hyperion fight through someone else.

So you claiming that he did, but can't prove it with evidence.:huh

but Hulk has beaten hyperion on several ocassions. he's beaten the evil hyperion twice and the good hyperion once.

Both times Hyperion wasn't using his speed either.

i'm sure on one of those ocassions hyperion displayed his speed, but hey i can't supply the scans for that.

So he never showed himself using Superspeed.

of course thats all bullet relies on, hopefully scorpio, u'll take my word for it considering i haven't lied.

Yep, and it also through your thunderclap arguement out too. I only use scans to prove that I'm right, like in this thread.:)

not knowing how powerful Fin Fang Foom's fire is but this is pretty good. just an interesting pic, not trying to prove a point here.


http://www.incrediblehulk.com/finfangfoomresistance.jpg
http://www.incrediblehulk.com/finfangfoomresistance2.jpg

It's not that powerful, it's probaly just normal fire, it's not on the same level as Glads or Superman's.


Gladiator reacted to the radiation.



show me where u shot down anything, last time i checked i responded to u and shut down anything u had to say.

You never shut me down or brung proof that Thor, Gladiator, and Hyperion can speedbiltz, you avoided the question. I stoped to let the other two go since they responded to your posts, I didn't have to yet.

u have made no points in the comments u made to DrunkenYoshimaster.

I made great points, he made none.

u talk about superman's versatility, but all u normally talk about is a speedblitz, WOW THAT IS SO VERSATILE.

It's when the person Hulk is fighting is several times faster than him and will be throwing planet destroy punches with every blow, can fly, melt him with Heat Vision, and Freeze him doing all types of combos to him. Hulk stands no chance!


show me where the hulk has been beaten by brute force.

Sure!

Ironman beating the Hulk:

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There's on example!:)


and of course Hulk isn't Doomsday,

Yep, Hulk's not close to Doomsday in speed, Strength (without being very angry), and he can't take energy blasts like Doomsday (who was only stoped by Impereix)

that would be a disgrace to the Hulk considering he would kill Doomsday.

Save it for a Hulk vs. Doomsday thread then.:)

Oh, and Superman wins.

Viciousness
01-29-2006, 12:24 PM
Even if Superman does get hit (which I doubt), he's durable enough to take Hulk punches.


Durable enough to take them until Hulks own strength as a result of his anger surpasses supes limit.


Hulk isn't going to be walking through hundreds of punches every second, for every punch Hulk give Supes, he'll be getting 100 more in return. Also, Hulk isn't walking through Heat Vision either.

And he'll take those hundred punches getting stronger all the while. Until his strength surpasses supes own. based ont he amount of force he's hit with Hulks power is likely to go up faster. Im pretty sure Mike Tyson punching him is going to get him angrier and stronger than me punching him. Similarly Supes is going to create a more powerful Hulk by hitting him, than the one Ironman fought.




Were not bringing any what if's.:huh Superman can do the same thing Ironman, Thor, and countless others who has beaten Hulk, and that's by brute force. Superman is more than strong enough to do it, and is far faster than any of them.
Have you seen these fights? Either youre lying again or youre the most biased user on these boards. Thor definately doesnt beat Hulk when it comes to brute strength. It's only through the use of his magical hammer Mjolnir that he stands a chance. And last time I checked Superman doesnt have any enchanted/magical abilities, in fact he's very weak to them.


As far as Ironman goes, besides him using every trick in the book and it not really being a fight of pure brute force, but more like him sucker punching an unsuspecting hulk temporarily blinded who probably didnt know he was there, those scans youre posting look like their from the 60's I thouhgt we were doing the current incarnations of both characters. Becuas eas someone pointed out, posssibly you, Superman used to suck alot more at the start of post crisis.


Hulk isn't Doomsday. :)


thanks for proving my point, and he's not going to back down out of fear and cowardice from Supes punches like the new doomsday did. And comparing the two is an affront to the Hulk.



No he hasn't. He hasn't brung any proof and I've sut down all his arguements just like I doing to yours.smile-big


What are you talking about?

As far as completely shut down Im not talking about you being able to make a feeble counter argument. Nor am I talking about posting 500 pics showing the same thing which still doesnt prove your character would win. Im talking about those times when you were completely and utterly wrong to any unbiased veiwer and continued to argue on like a know-it-all who was convinced he was right. Specifically anime filler being made in the US for dbz Toriyama playing a hand in designing that filler. Those two times proved you'll keep arguing on and on about things you dont know about.

Also Ive become fairly convinced over time that you really only know about DC comics, and pretend to know about everything else, scrounging the net for pics from different series and arguments on battles which you know very little of, and those two examples back then pretty much confirmed it IMO.


Bring a better arguement next time.smile-big

with you it doesnt matter how good the opposing argument is. You never know when to quit and would drag things on forever if possible.

Seany
01-29-2006, 01:11 PM
Superman wins this one

Bullet
01-29-2006, 01:43 PM
[QUOTE=DrunkenYoshimaster]Durable enough to take them until Hulks own strength as a result of his anger surpasses supes limit.

Hulk will be KOed by that time, Hulk doesn't even grow in strength that fast, other wise Thor whouldn't have beaten that so many times.

And he'll take those hundred punches getting stronger all the while.

No he won't, he could barely take a few from alot slower people.


Until his strength surpasses supes own.

He'll be KOed before that happened, and he still isn't fast enough to hit Superman or can't fly.

based ont he amount of force he's hit with Hulks power is likely to go up faster.

How whould you know? Has that ever been stated? Hulk won't get the chance to get very angry anyways.:)

Im pretty sure Mike Tyson punching him is going to get him angrier and stronger than me punching him. Similarly Supes is going to create a more powerful Hulk by hitting him, than the one Ironman fought.

That just means if Superman hits Hulk, he'll definitely get KOed, since he's been droped by weaker attacks.


Have you seen these fights? Either youre lying again or youre the most biased user on these boards.

Yes I've seen them and I know that they didn't help your arguement.

Thor definately doesnt beat Hulk when it comes to brute strength.

Thor at base is stronger and he normally beats Hulk in just h2h.

It's only through the use of his magical hammer Mjolnir that he stands a chance.

Thor never uses his hammers abilities when fighting Hulk and he's beaten Hulk without it too.

And last time I checked Superman doesnt have any enchanted/magical abilities, in fact he's very weak to them.

Superman is vunerable to magic just like Thor, Ironman, Hulk and just about any other Super hero is to it. Superman doesn't need magic to beat Hulk, Ironman didn't use magic, Ben never uses magic, Thor, or Spiderman.

As far as Ironman goes, besides him using every trick in the book and it not really being a fight of pure brute force, but more like him sucker punching an unsuspecting hulk temporarily blinded who probably didnt know he was there,

Ironman beat him in a fare fight.:wink

those scans youre posting look like their from the 60's I thouhgt we were doing the current incarnations of both characters.

The current incarnation was beaten by Spiderman too.

Becuas eas someone pointed out, posssibly you, Superman used to suck alot more at the start of post crisis.

I never said Superman suck, I said he was weaker back then and has gotten alot stronger.


thanks for proving my point, and he's not going to back down out of fear and cowardice from Supes punches like the new doomsday did.

He doesn't need to because Hulk will be KOed.

And comparing the two is an affront to the Hulk.

Doomsday is more powerful.


Also Ive become fairly convinced over time that you really only know about DC comics, and pretend to know about everything else, scrounging the net for pics from different series and arguments on battles which you know very little of, and those two examples back then pretty much confirmed it IMO.

Not true, look through other threads, I have comics of both Marvel and DC.


with you it doesnt matter how good the opposing argument is. You never know when to quit and would drag things on forever if possible.

And you still havn't brung a good arguement.:)

Superman wins this one

Agreed!smile-big

unknowndanex
01-29-2006, 04:17 PM
Hulk will be KOed by that time, Hulk doesn't even grow in strength that fast, other wise Thor whouldn't have beaten that so many times.

go read Hulk Annual 2001, and Thor 385 since u claim Thor just kicks his ass.

That's because the other two shut you down, I don't have to respond to every one of your posts. Aslo, you still havn't proven that Gladiator, Thor, and Hyperion fight at high speeds (which you keep avoiding). Gladiator didn't use his abilities aswell as Superman does, the fight with Hulk proves that.

how has anyone shut down anyone of my post, now u're just running off at the mouth. and u must've decided not to look at the pick on page 5 when i showed u gladiator fighting hyperion at high speeds during their fight. if u read a post for once in your life and understand whats goin on, Scorpio has seen the picture and responded but now he knows they fight at high speeds. why? cause he saw my scans. like DrunkenYoshimaster says, you're just to stubborn to look at anything that proves you wrong. i'm not avoiding it cause i proved it. go to page 5 and holla at me boy.

Why? so they could shut you down too.

show me where they shut me down, apparantly it hasn't happened.

Both times Hyperion wasn't using his speed either.

seeing as how u normally run off at the mouth and just talk, tell me the times hulk fought hyperion. and make that 3 times considering they fought more than twice. twice against the evil hyperion and once against the good one. u probably won't know cause u probably don't have em or know anything about them.

You never shut me down or brung proof that Thor, Gladiator, and Hyperion can speedbiltz, you avoided the question. I stoped to let the other two go since they responded to your posts, I didn't have to yet.

i don't bring proof twice, just go to page 5 and look at the Gladiator and Hyperion pics from the comic you claimed you had.

I made great points, he made none.

you have made no good point, where is one, just show me one point you have made. you post scan and i disect them all. everytime i've stepped in a thread with you, your scans are shut down. its clear you know only DC, you lied about having the Gladiator/Hyperion comic, and in the DBZ thread you said USA anime is filler and Japanese isn't. Even though the USA is cut and Japanese isn't then u said Arlia is not in the Japanese one. Then you gave us a website that proved you wrong. your history as far as i can see is not really good when it comes to making points.

It's when the person Hulk is fighting is several times faster than him and will be throwing planet destroy punches with every blow, can fly, melt him with Heat Vision, and Freeze him doing all types of combos to him. Hulk stands no chance!

um me and several others if u read the post basically agree that freeze breath and heat vision won't get the job done. oh yeah and gladiator's heat vision is in excess of 3000 F so thats a bare minimum of what he was doing to a weaker version of the hulk.

So you claiming that he did, but can't prove it with evidence.

well didnt u say that SS wasn't going all out against the hulk went i brought that point up, so i guess it isn't a claim. please stick with your arguments. just because your life depends on scans that i shoot down doesn't mean everyone else depends on them. because some people have knowledge of comicbooks.

So you can't prove it.

and you can't prove against it.

as for the ironman pics can you take it down a notch on the size or something, for some reason the pictures are coming in too slow or not at all, but hey look old as shit bullet. u cry about the doomsday fight but then you show an older pic of hulk fighting IronMan. The most recent fight they had was when IronMan needed the Hulkbuster armor to beat him. That was in IronMan 305, go read a marvel comic. And IronMan can beat Superman if he had time before the fight so whats your point? :)

Yep, Hulk's not close to Doomsday in speed, Strength (without being very angry), and he can't take energy blasts like Doomsday (who was only stoped by Impereix)

didn't he die from fighting Superman in the first fight, they both died from the fatal blows. so superman beat him too, a much weaker version of superman that you point out too many times. you haven't made a point, you run off at the mouth just like i say all the time.

and Hulk wins

Thor at base is stronger and he normally beats Hulk in just h2h.

yeah, go read Thor 385 and Hulk Annual 2001. in Hulk Annual 2001 he beat Thor in 3 hits. he actually beat thor twice in that annual. in Thor 385, Thor used his hammer and Hulk figured out that it would be in his best interest to get that hammer away from Thor. he also beat Thor in a Defenders issue. He also defeated Thor in Hulk 255. at this present time Hulk would get his ass whupped by Thor, but then again i don't think anyone can beat Thor at this point.

The current incarnation was beaten by Spiderman too.

prove that one my friend. that was not even normal hulk, and Doc Sampson was helping out. um hulk did catch spiderman, he waited for that weak punch to connect and he gave him a concussion. what exactly do your pics prove? spiderman has this thing called spider senses, the guy dodged light speed attacks before. so of course he could move, but he then had to get physical and you saw the result. oooooooooo i got a concussion.

So i guess once again your scans have meant nothing considering they don't help an argument once i disect them. but why don't you go buy the comics i said check out since you claimed you seen Thor beat Hulk so many times. buy those and get back to me, some good comics to start a marvel collection.

i wonder if lucky agreed or understood me on the post i responded to him with. about how i really thought the fight would go. can anyone other than bias bullet respond to this, i would like to here your take on it. this was really an unbias look at the fight.

the fight will all depend on when and if superman gets to the point that he has to take hulk to the sun.

hulk can't take the sun, but if superman waits too long which he most likely will because hulk is not a menace to the world, and too long is not that long of a time. he won't be able to do it because hulk's reflexes will be too high at that point and he will just power out his grasp. he will be able to power out because superman is not constantly gaining strength during the fight and hulk is. to me thats the only way superman can conceivably when.

but put these cats in an unbreakble field powered by all the psychics in both universes. superman will lose the fight.

its not like i'm saying Hulk will beat superman 100 percent or vice versa, it all depends on the place and the situation. first time fighting though, i'll give it to the hulk before superman.

oh yeah..

Hulk will be KOed by that time, Hulk doesn't even grow in strength that fast, other wise Thor whouldn't have beaten that so many times.

he wasn't that angry in Secret Wars when he held up 150 billion tons. think before you speak.

and with the FFF thing, i wasn't tryin to prove a point, it was just a tight moment. about the imperiex thing, i'm not comparing that guy to anyone. i was just sayin that doomsday never got his ass kicked like that so he finally knew what it was like to fear someone. that really took a tole on him when he fought superman again. that is why superman referred to it. but don't mistake me for comparing hulk or superman to imperiex.

Bullet
01-29-2006, 07:20 PM
go read Hulk Annual 2001, and Thor 385 since u claim Thor just kicks his ass.

I have it and I never said Hulk didn't beat Thor before, but that he did lose to people with physical force, including Thor.


how has anyone shut down anyone of my post, now u're just running off at the mouth. and u must've decided not to look at the pick on page 5 when i showed u gladiator fighting hyperion at high speeds during their fight. if u read a post for once in your life and understand whats goin on, Scorpio has seen the picture and responded but now he knows they fight at high speeds. why? cause he saw my scans. like DrunkenYoshimaster says, you're just to stubborn to look at anything that proves you wrong. i'm not avoiding it cause i proved it. go to page 5 and holla at me boy.

Gladiator or Hyperion has never fought at high speeds, even when they were fighting each other. Still waiting for scans of Thor, Gladiator, and Hyperion fighting at high speeds too (which you keep trying to avoid).

1.) Hulk may have unlimited strength depending on how mad he gets, but he doesn't have unlimited anger. Hulk can only get so mad to a certain point. Hulk has nothing that whould help him in this fight, his strength alone isn't enough.

2.) Superman is so fast hulk wouldn't even see his hits coming, and there's no way that hulk would be able to hit Superman. With Superman's combination of strength and speed, Hulk stands no chance at beating him.

3.) Superman can fly, if he hit Hulk into the air, he doesn't have to let him fall. Superman could constantly spray Hulk with Heat Vision and speedbilitz Hulk from all kinds of directions with attacks. Hulk won't be able to do anything about it since he's not able to fly or move/react fast enough to get out of the air.

4.) Superman could biltz Hulk into space.

5.) Superman can create a vortex, suking all the air out of the Hulk.

6.) Superman could fry Hulk's brain with Heat Vision.

he wasn't that angry in Secret Wars when he held up 150 billion tons. think before you speak.

Superman moves planets.





Planet>>>>moutain:)

unknowndanex
01-29-2006, 08:02 PM
I have it and I never said Hulk didn't beat Thor before, but that he did lose to people with physical force, including Thor.

i was talkin bout all those comics cause of the way you just referred to Thor and Hulk as just Thor kickin his ass on too many ocassions and thats not it. but Hulk has beaten Thor too many times compared to Thor beating him, and Thor is a very versatile fighter contrary to your belief.

Gladiator or Hyperion has never fought at high speeds, even when they were fighting each other. Still waiting for scans of Thor, Gladiator, and Hyperion fighting at high speeds too (which you keep trying to avoid).

1.) Hulk may have unlimited strength depending on how mad he gets, but he doesn't have unlimited anger. Hulk can only get so mad to a certain point. Hulk has nothing that whould help him in this fight, his strength alone isn't enough.

2.) Superman is so fast hulk wouldn't even see his hits coming, and there's no way that hulk would be able to hit Superman. With Superman's combination of strength and speed, Hulk stands no chance at beating him.

3.) Superman can fly, if he hit Hulk into the air, he doesn't have to let him fall. Superman could constantly spray Hulk with Heat Vision and speedbilitz Hulk from all kinds of directions with attacks. Hulk won't be able to do anything about it since he's not able to fly or move/react fast enough to get out of the air.

4.) Superman could biltz Hulk into space.

5.) Superman can create a vortex, suking all the air out of the Hulk.

6.) Superman could fry Hulk's brain with Heat Vision.

are u asking for pictures of them using speed on hulk or just them using speed period. because on page 5 of this post i showed hyperion and gladiator fighting at high speeds, i don't know what i'm avoiding here. u should clear that up for me.

this is Gladiator and Hyperion
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...sar54197zx.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7...sar54204ar.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...sar54216qj.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...sar54225co.jpg

in Thor issue 185, he flew three times the speed of light. but that doesn't fit into fighting at high speeds, but a great feat none the less.

but for Thor's speed, i don't have the scans but as usual i can throw the issues at you.

in Invaders 33 he deflected thousands of artillery bullets with one arm
Marve Team Up 26 stated he can move faster than mortal eyes can see
in Thor 354 he played around with Hela using his speed which she said was incomprehensible
The High Evolutionary also created a super-speedster named Zefra using Thor's DNA in Avengers 14.

Superman moves planets.

thats cause hulk doesn't fly, if he could fly he would move them. beyonder did refer to him as power incarnate.

now for your points, half of those have already been discussed. hulk can adapt to speed, he has to do it damn near all the time. Hulk's reflexes are good enough for him to roll some of superman's punches and wait for him to connect and catch him at he moment. if superman is throwin 1000 punches it will be easy to catch one of them. someone tried to blitz hulk into space. storm tried to suck his air out in a vortex and it didn't work. hulk will not stand there and let superman fry his brain. this guy does not stand in one spot.

unknowndanex
01-29-2006, 08:10 PM
sorry for another double post but this is for bullet

my brother took the hyperion/gladiator pics off, so go to page 5 and look at the 4th post from the bottom. it'll show the pics.

if u don't look at those then u just don't wanna see them.

but scorpio, lucky, and drunkenyoshimaster can all vouch that the pics are on page 5.

Bullet
01-29-2006, 08:49 PM
[QUOTE=unknowndanex]i was talkin bout all those comics cause of the way you just referred to Thor and Hulk as just Thor kickin his ass on too many ocassions and thats not it. but Hulk has beaten Thor too many times compared to Thor beating him, and Thor is a very versatile fighter contrary to your belief.

Thor has won just as many times as Hulk, if not more.


are u asking for pictures of them using speed on hulk or just them using speed period. because on page 5 of this post i showed hyperion and gladiator fighting at high speeds, i don't know what i'm avoiding here. u should clear that up for me.

Nither of them fought at high speeds before.

this is Gladiator and Hyperion
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...sar54197zx.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7...sar54204ar.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...sar54216qj.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...sar54225co.jpg

in Thor issue 185, he flew three times the speed of light. but that doesn't fit into fighting at high speeds, but a great feat none the less.


Those scans don't show having fight/reflexive speeds, only in flight speed.


but for Thor's speed, i don't have the scans but as usual i can throw the issues at you.

in Invaders 33 he deflected thousands of artillery bullets with one arm
Marve Team Up 26 stated he can move faster than mortal eyes can see
in Thor 354 he played around with Hela using his speed which she said was incomprehensible
The High Evolutionary also created a super-speedster named Zefra using Thor's DNA in Avengers 14.

Thor has never shown to have superspeed, I don't won't issue numbers, show me scans of him using superspeed. Thor is slower than Spiderman and Mongooes, he doesn't have superspeed.

thats cause hulk doesn't fly, if he could fly he would move them. beyonder did refer to him as power incarnate.

He could move them when being extremely angry, but that'll take awhile to for to reach.

now for your points, half of those have already been discussed. hulk can adapt to speed, he has to do it damn near all the time.

Hulk has never adabt to speeds on Superman's level, he can't even touch Spiderman who's way slower than Supes (who whould hit Spiderman with little effort).

Hulk's reflexes are good enough for him to roll some of superman's punches and wait for him to connect and catch him at he moment.

Hulk's reflexes aren't good enough to dodge any of Superman's punches. Here's Superman when he doesn't feel like being bothered with Mongul. Superman also uses MAs when he's fighting.

http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.png



if superman is throwin 1000 punches it will be easy to catch one of them.

They won't be easy for Hulk since he's way to slow to catch any of them.

someone tried to blitz hulk into space.

Gladiator grabed him by his waste, Superman won't do something like that.

storm tried to suck his air out in a vortex and it didn't work.

Hulk needs to breath, Superman doesn't have to let up on. He could float above him taking away alway air where ever Hulk stands.

hulk will not stand there and let superman fry his brain.

Hulk won't have a choice since he's not fast enough to do anything about.

this guy does not stand in one spot.

To Superman Hulk will be in slow motion.

unknowndanex
01-29-2006, 10:18 PM
Thor has won just as many times as Hulk, if not more.
give me issues on when these ocurred since i provided hulk's wins.

Those scans don't show having fight/reflexive speeds, only in flight speed.

if u paid attention to the second picture. gladiator was coming in for a punch and when the punch was about to connect, nanoseconds later hyperion had already punched back. read the caption.

Thor has never shown to have superspeed, I don't won't issue numbers, show me scans of him using superspeed. Thor is slower than Spiderman and Mongooes, he doesn't have superspeed.

you're just proving my point on your lack of Marvel knowledge or comics

look i'll have to dig up too many comic books of Thor's speed for you, so i'm not, but if u look up the issue numbers you'll see it for yourself. u don't even know much about Thor from what i see so i won't push that argument with you. and he kicked Mongoose ass the last time they fought. Marvel Handbook even has him at the highest speed 7 which is warp speed transcending the speed of light. The guy even beat Silver Surfer when he went insane, and his speed was ridiculous at that point. If Thor doesn't have Mjorhin he is not as fast, but the hammer does make him faster.

He could move them when being extremely angry, but that'll take awhile to for to reach.

wasn't that angry when he held up 150 billion tons. doesn't need to be that angry to move a planet. he also gains power in rage, stress, and range.

They won't be easy for Hulk since he's way to slow to catch any of them.

u don't have to be fast to catch 1 of 1000 punches, just hold your hand out and grab.


Gladiator grabed him by his waste, Superman won't do something like that.
you don't know this considering you have nothing to do with Superman

Hulk needs to breath, Superman doesn't have to let up on. He could float above him taking away alway air where ever Hulk stands.

Storm didn't let up, he hit her ass.

Hulk won't have a choice since he's not fast enough to do anything about.

don't have to be fast to move

To Superman Hulk will be in slow motion.

not really, the only thing that would be in slow motion would be if they made a movie of the fight and superman was getting knocked back by Hulk. that would look great in slow motion.

Hulk has never adabt to speeds on Superman's level, he can't even touch Spiderman who's way slower than Supes (who whould hit Spiderman with little effort).
you just showed me a pic of hulk touching spiderman, come on lets get real. u're running off at the mouth again.

Hulk's reflexes aren't good enough to dodge any of Superman's punches. Here's Superman when he doesn't feel like being bothered with Mongul. Superman also uses MAs when he's fighting.

http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.png

the pic isn't coming in, it just shows the top.

Viciousness
01-29-2006, 10:42 PM
[QUOTE]

Thor has won just as many times as Hulk, if not more.


thanks to his trusty magic hammer



Those scans don't show having fight/reflexive speeds, only in flight speed.




Thor has never shown to have superspeed, I don't won't issue numbers, show me scans of him using superspeed. Thor is slower than Spiderman and Mongooes, he doesn't have superspeed.



He could move them when being extremely angry, but that'll take awhile to for to reach.



Hulk has never adabt to speeds on Superman's level, he can't even touch Spiderman who's way slower than Supes (who whould hit Spiderman with little effort).



Hulk's reflexes aren't good enough to dodge any of Superman's punches. Here's Superman when he doesn't feel like being bothered with Mongul. Superman also uses MAs when he's fighting.





They won't be easy for Hulk since he's way to slow to catch any of them.


are these good enough for you:

Sure it doesnt seem like you know much outside of DC but I hope you know who quicksilver is
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/2600/quicksilver9xj.jpg

Reflexes to catch a hypersonic jet from the air
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/9756/speed39wb.jpg

this is wonderman, whose capable of moving at Superhuman speeds calculated at over 25,000 mph, and here he is awed by the speed of Hulks attacks.
http://img235.echo.cx/img235/1743/avengersih316e2tg.jpg


and what do you mean "Hulk can't even touch spiderman" ???
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/8161/spiderspeed6uy.jpg


Gladiator grabed him by his waste, Superman won't do something like that.

weren't you implying supes would speedblits ram him into space once he realizes Hulks gotten too strong? Soon as he makes contact it's a two fisted over the head hulk smash back into the ground.


as far as what you were saying earlier about Supes moving planets while Hulk scans just showed him lifting huge mountains, how many planets has Supes moved post crisis? And even while they may be massive how far were they from the closest star, so you could calculate the force required to take it off its gravitational pull?

here's hulk smashing an asteroid twice the size of the earth (with some minor help from jet boosters: http://img135.echo.cx/img135/6304/asteroid15sc.jpg
http://img11.echo.cx/img11/3581/featsasteroid1a7xe.jpg


also hulks cranium is alot harder to penetrate than u think. Here's him taking 50,000 volts to the head: http://img192.exs.cx/img192/8894/durabilityelectricity43en.jpg

since you dont listen to reasonable evidence and only post pictures, hopefully this will get through to you.

unknowndanex
01-29-2006, 11:17 PM
well here is some pics of him fighting Thor "who beats him so many times"

fist to fist with mjolrin
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/1559/thorih2552ml.jpg

Thor after 3 hits
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/608/thorih2001a2so.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4041/thorih2001b5ku.jpg

Screws him into the sidewalk
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/5391/screwball3gx.jpg

Thor 385 when Hulk proves he's no dummy
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6857/thormt385a4wu.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1042/thormt385b4nc.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/408/thormt385d3hg.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5551/thormt385e3ky.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7275/thormt385h1hm.jpg

end of fight
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2883/thormt385q1wi.jpg

you think his healing factor is so slow

Think heat vision will do so much?

Hulk healing from skeletal
http://img130.exs.cx/img130/3038/Healing.jpg[/img]

due to anger his healing increases, multiple holes through his body
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/6732/healing121os.jpg
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/2347/healing12a2am.jpg

hulk heals around his hand
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/5108/healing094zs.jpg

think brain damage would work
http://img198.exs.cx/img198/8567/healing157np.jpg


u think his durability is bad

adamantium crushing force can't mess with hulk
http://img99.echo.cx/img99/9221/durabilitydogowar3hm.jpg

anger increases durability as well
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/9238/durabilityadamantium4fe.jpg

Genis makes hulk angry this quickly since he doesn't get angry fast
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/4783/genis5qn.jpg

what form of radiation can get the job done?
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/8564/avengersih322a3sj.jpg[/img]

insane Thor shocking hulk
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/5756/thorih440h7zp.jpg
http://img189.echo.cx/img189/9498/thorih440i1tq.jpg

storm has a tornado plus lightining inside it
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3901/storm3qz.jpg

hulk is not fully transformed
http://img192.exs.cx/img192/8894/durabilityelectricity43en.jpg

orion missle at ground zero
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/3500/orion21pa.jpg

sonic boom thunderclap underwater, imagine full force on ground
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/5940/shockwavethunderclap092cu.jpg

we all know hulk is at his strongest now, look at secret wars though
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/1226/beyonder6ca.jpg

lifts the Galaxy Master's massive starship and isn't that upset, looks way bigger than 100tons
http://img153.exs.cx/img153/7411/galaxymaster18ci.jpg

guy forms tidal waves from swimming
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/8140/tidalwaves8ze.jpg

it seems u're not the only one with scans my friend. superman will lose to hulk. drunkenyoshimaster has already showed what i have been saying all along. speed is something hulk adapts too, i know superman is way faster than quicksilver, but that was a bit too easy for hulk right there. and thats at the speed of sound.

Valdens
01-30-2006, 12:59 AM
if its an actual unbiased no pis/cis fight imo supes wins due to his speed. he could throw hulk into the sun before he knew what was going on

if it was in an unbiased comic then hulk wins, due to the fact supes never uses his speed to automatically take out everyone in 1 second because that wouldnt be cool.

unknowndanex
01-30-2006, 01:38 AM
if its an actual unbiased no pis/cis fight imo supes wins due to his speed. he could throw hulk into the sun before he knew what was going on

if it was in an unbiased comic then hulk wins, due to the fact supes never uses his speed to automatically take out everyone in 1 second because that wouldnt be cool.

Reps for that, i said that so long ago (top of this page) and no one responded to it. It all depends if and when superman says i gotta throw this guy in the sun. If he takes too long to think of it and keeps tryin to fight the guy, he'll lose.

Bullet
01-30-2006, 10:19 AM
[QUOTE]if it was in an unbiased comic then hulk wins, due to the fact supes never uses his speed to automatically take out everyone in 1 second because that wouldnt be cool.

Superman uses his speed more often now, and even without speed, Hulk has been beaten. Superman just recently used his speed.

Superman creates a vortex with his speed drawing up all of the air making his foes pass out.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermanvortexin.jpg

Superman always uses his speed when he needs to. Superman normally holds back when fighting, so he just doesn't up and use speed, plus there's people who Superman fight that also have Superspeed, so it's always being used.

Bullet
01-30-2006, 11:07 AM
Sure it doesnt seem like you know much outside of DC but I hope you know who quicksilver is

Superman is far faster than Quicksilver and Hulk isn't fighting him at high speeds, but only knocked him out of the way.


Reflexes to catch a hypersonic jet from the air

Superman isn't a jet and unlike the jet, Superman can move out of the way. His fighting/reflexive speeds are greater than the Hulks.

this is wonderman, whose capable of moving at Superhuman speeds calculated at over 25,000 mph, and here he is awed by the speed of Hulks attacks.


Again none of them have fighting/reflexive speeds like Superman. Hulk will never hit Superman like he just did to Wonderman. Superman could vibrate through Hulk's attacks or just move out of the way.

and what do you mean "Hulk can't even touch spiderman"

Sure he can catch, but he's still slower than him. And Superman is far faster than Spiderman.

weren't you implying supes would speedblits ram him into space once he realizes Hulks gotten too strong? Soon as he makes contact it's a two fisted over the head hulk smash back into the ground.

No. Glads grabed him by the waste, Superman won't do something like that. Superman could grab Hulk by his legs tossing him into the air, grab a giant piece of rock Hulk is standing on, tossing him into midair then just have his way with him, or he could use a combination of his Heat Vision and Ice Breath; He could use Heat Vision as a cucussive force to push Hulk into the air and just repeat.

Like he's doing to here. Superman also takes his opponents into the air (with breath, vision, or physical powers) and toys with them...even using them as his weapons.

http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=276nh.jpg

http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=281qs.jpg

as far as what you were saying earlier about Supes moving planets while Hulk scans just showed him lifting huge mountains, how many planets has Supes moved post crisis?

He moved the Moon twice by himself and held a black hole in the palm of his hands.

also hulks cranium is alot harder to penetrate than u think. Here's him taking 50,000 volts to the head:

Heat Vision is far worse than 50,000 volts.


since you dont listen to reasonable evidence and only post pictures, hopefully this will get through to you.

I've listen to evidence, but none of those feats will help Hulk in a fight against Superman, unless Supes does nothing at all.


well here is some pics of him fighting Thor "who beats him so many times"

I've got some Thor vs. Hulk fights too, but I'll wait for a Thor vs. Hulk thread before I let loose.

due to anger his healing increases, multiple holes through his body

But that doesn't mean Superman have to stop, do it? Superman isn't going to wait around for Hulk still heal himself.

think brain damage would work

He's still knocked out though:confused:

adamantium crushing force can't mess with hulk

Superman force is greater than that machine.


storm has a tornado plus lightining inside it

Storm isn't nearly as durable as Superman, a rock won't stop him and he could easily dodge it, then continue with the tornado.

orion missle at ground zero

Superman attacks are worse than missles.


sonic boom thunderclap underwater, imagine full force on ground


Doesn't matter, a sonic clap isn't working on Superman (who has fought a being that uses sonic sounds waves against)

it seems u're not the only one with scans my friend. superman will lose to hulk.

None was really that impressive, Superman will win.


drunkenyoshimaster has already showed what i have been saying all along. speed is something hulk adapts too, i know superman is way faster than quicksilver, but that was a bit too easy for hulk right there.

Quicksilver isn't nearly as fast or strong as Superman and can't take a hit like Superman could.


and thats at the speed of sound.

Superman is way above sound speed.

unknowndanex
01-30-2006, 12:18 PM
Superman is far faster than Quicksilver and Hulk isn't fighting him at high speeds, but only knocked him out of the way.




Superman isn't a jet and unlike the jet, Superman can move out of the way. His fighting/reflexive speeds are greater than the Hulks.




Again none of them have fighting/reflexive speeds like Superman. Hulk will never hit Superman like he just did to Wonderman. Superman could vibrate through Hulk's attacks or just move out of the way.



Sure he can catch, but he's still slower than him. And Superman is far faster than Spiderman.



No. Glads grabed him by the waste, Superman won't do something like that. Superman could grab Hulk by his legs tossing him into the air, grab a giant piece of rock Hulk is standing on, tossing him into midair then just have his way with him, or he could use a combination of his Heat Vision and Ice Breath; He could use Heat Vision as a cucussive force to push Hulk into the air and just repeat.

Like he's doing to here. Superman also takes his opponents into the air (with breath, vision, or physical powers) and toys with them...even using them as his weapons.

http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=276nh.jpg

http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=281qs.jpg



He moved the Moon twice by himself and held a black hole in the palm of his hands.



Heat Vision is far worse than 50,000 volts.




I've listen to evidence, but none of those feats will help Hulk in a fight against Superman, unless Supes does nothing at all.




I've got some Thor vs. Hulk fights too, but I'll wait for a Thor vs. Hulk thread before I let loose.



But that doesn't mean Superman have to stop, do it? Superman isn't going to wait around for Hulk still heal himself.



He's still knocked out though:confused:



Superman force is greater than that machine.




Storm isn't nearly as durable as Superman, a rock won't stop him and he could easily dodge it, then continue with the tornado.



Superman attacks are worse than missles.





Doesn't matter, a sonic clap isn't working on Superman (who has fought a being that uses sonic sounds waves against)



None was really that impressive, Superman will win.




Quicksilver isn't nearly as fast or strong as Superman and can't take a hit like Superman could.




Superman is way above sound speed.

he didn't have too considering he one hitter quitter him in once punch even though he was moving fast. oh yeah, for future references we all know Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quicksilver but u asked for a speed reference and we're giving it to u.

WonderMan does have reflex speeds that are pretty damn fast, Thor does as well which is why he fairs so well against just about anyone in the Marvel Universe. Well now he will just beat everyone but thats another story. As you can see i'm a Thor fan at heart next to Surfer.

as far as the spiderman, quicksilver, and WonderMan thing goes, the speed is increasing from spiderman to WonderMan and Hulk has yet to show that he is experiencing a serious problem. they are faster than him, yet he adapts.

there have also been times when superman has grabbed someone by the waist into space, but u're correct in what u said though. but superman tryin to play with the hulk would just give hulk a good ole free hit. superman using heat vision as a concussive force wouldn't really do much to hulk considering hulk takes more powerful blasts like nothing. Genis' blast are much more powerful than superman much to your disbelief and u see how hulk felt about that. i don't know why u think the freeze breath will work, u seem to be the only one who thinks so.

as far as stregth goes u should give up on that because most of those pictures were near base form and at base form of hulk. and hulk has held open a black hole too so whats your point. he is infinite in power, INFINITE, superman does have a limit, and it depends on his solar radiation.

and actually, there was a lot more done to hulk than just damaging the brain stem, he was actually having transformation problems then. but i'm just showin u that lobotomy wouldn't really work. and if superman moves out the way while making a vortex the vortex will cease or slow down, either way hulk will escape that crappy move. and he used that vortex in your pic more so because of the guy's fire abilities than him breathing.

of course we knew u wouldn't think the pics were impressive, and thats because it proves most of what u say wrong. all u can say is superman will win and basically have no means of backing up what u say.

we proved his healing factor is better than u say
his durability
his reflexes and ability to adapt

u have proven nothing

Valdens is basically saying only way superman can win is to throw hulk in the sun. Me and DrunkenYoshimaster have basically thrown anything u have to say in the garbage. And for whenever there will be a hulk vs thor thread i would love to see what u got.

cause as far as i'm concerned, u're nothing but a DC boy.

lucky
01-30-2006, 02:03 PM
doomsday didn't fight like he did the other time, remember doomsday also gets stronger after every battle but no one had beat him like imperiex did.

......................


wasn't saying doomsday wasn't stronger cause thats his power. but doomsday was never beaten in a way imperiex did. when doomsday fought to a draw with superman he still killed him and it was a good fight. but imperiex just beat the living hell outta him showing him that he wasn't all that. doomsday came back stronger with fear which he never had. which is why superman was talking about it. he wouldn't refer to it for no reason.


imperiex is a cosmic being. he's on a whole 'nother level. That's like the hulk losing to galactus. It's understandable.


cause i have shown hulk face people that were that fast, gladiator fights in nanoseconds. he has fought hyperion and handed him his ass (hulk that is). his reflexes are ranked pretty high, thats why he was able to catch SS on his board. and beat all the other fast people that were supposed to use their superior speed to beat him.


have to give u that one, they did throw darkseid to the side now. but gladiator and hyperion >>>> DOS Superman so whats the point. hyperion actually did try to use his speed on the hulk and it didn't work. marvel heroes are very adept at adapting to speed. gladiator was running circles around Thor but he adapted to the fight. Hulk beat Namor, IronMan, WonderMan, and Hercules at the same time in Incredible Hulk 316. Namor is pretty damn fast and so is WonderMan, IronMan is fast depending on the suit. don't worry i'm not saying they're as fast as superman cause WonderMan was probably the fastes and he was at 25,000mph. but hulk is no way near that speed and won the fight.



what scorpio meant with his scans was that superman is capable of becoming intangible REACTIVELY to every punch that doomsday threw. That meant htat doomsday could NOT connect a punch with supes (unless he let him).

Everytime doomsday would throw a punch, superman would vibrate and his punch would go right through. This is significant because if doomsday is indeed faster than the hulk (which he probably is), and superman dodged doomsday's punches, then that means that the hulk cannot consistently connect his fists to superman at all. I didn't consider it before.


Hyperion and Gladiator probably are really fast, but they've never demonstrated speed like that before -- where they vibrate themselves fast enough that they phase through solid objects. Kinda like waht vision does.


Sure people on Supes side are bringing up what if's like what if Superman knows the exact part of Hulks oblangada to target so Hulk cant get his adreneline release or something. But knowing a weakness like that which took another villain research to figure out is like saying what if Hulk knows Supes weakness is kryptonite and brings a peice.


Nah. Superman's a scientist. He KNOWS where the structure of the brain, human body, whether someone is lying or not due to heart beat and tone of voice, how much pressure is on a person at the bottom of the ocean, the frequencies of hearing of a dog vs. human vs him, etc etc etc.

There's only two things superman needs to find out to use his lobotomy method:

1) This one's a no-brainer: the angrier the hulk gets, the stronger he gets. :P
2) His heat vision can indeed penetrate hulk's flesh.

Superman would never lobotomize an opponent, of course, but i'm assuming that in fights in the outskirts battledom, all the characters are going all out without any mercy and straight for the win.


But knowing a weakness like that which took another villain research to figure out is like saying what if Hulk knows Supes weakness is kryptonite and brings a peice.


All superman brings to this fight (even in the case of lobotomy) is own reporter's intuition (his own detective skills, which he has), knowledge of science, and his powers -- essentially, himself.

To bring soething like kryptonite in this is bringing in 3rd party object... can't do that. Superman isn't going to bring a "happify yourself" laser gun, just as hulk can't bring in kryptonite.



Superman is probably going to keep hitting Hulk getting him angrier and more powerful until his power eclipses supermans own, and his reflexes will be on point to use that power and bash Superman unconscious.

If superman indeedy is really going to go into 'slugger mode' and stay in slugger mode, you still can't deny that there's still a chance that superman would knock him out before he gets strong enough to knock supes out.



thank you for clearing that up, i understand where u're coming from now. but u can't really say that normal hulk wouldn't have thought of that, considering he goes off random motions to a fight, so thats really up to the premises of the fight and whats going on. i'm not saying hulk will do it or not, but there is a chance he would and no one can really say he would not. its basically 50/50 with the thunderclap idea.

However my origional point still stands. Gladiator would have killed Hulk twice in that fight if it wasnt for Merged Hulk's intelligence. Hulk stated himself that Gladiator would have killed Hulk if he didnt come up with that "backfire" thing. Also Hulk stated that he would have died when Gladiator took him to space if he didnt quickly think of the thunder clap idea. Like I said, Gladiator would have whooped regular Hulk and Hulk pretty much stated that fact.




Like whoa. That means that superman CAN possibly kill him with just heat vision and taking him to space.........



show me where the hulk has been beaten by brute force.


I'm not sure of the others, but in hulk 402 (i think) juggernaut started thrashing him around and might've even killed him if he wasn't ordered back by red skull.


Durable enough to take them until Hulks own strength as a result of his anger surpasses supes limit.

And he'll take those hundred punches getting stronger all the while. Until his strength surpasses supes own. based ont he amount of force he's hit with Hulks power is likely to go up faster. Im pretty sure Mike Tyson punching him is going to get him angrier and stronger than me punching him. Similarly Supes is going to create a more powerful Hulk by hitting him, than the one Ironman fought.


....assuming he isn't KO'd like ironman did with ONE PUNCH or nearly beat him to death like juggy did. And assuming superman is stupid enough to only keep on slugging him, if he indeed can't take on hulk blow for blow.

You assume that it's impossible to knock out hulk.


As far as Ironman goes, besides him using every trick in the book and it not really being a fight of pure brute force, but more like him sucker punching an unsuspecting hulk temporarily blinded who probably didnt know he was there, those scans youre posting look like their from the 60's I thouhgt we were doing the current incarnations of both characters. Becuas eas someone pointed out, posssibly you, Superman used to suck alot more at the start of post crisis.


Suckerpunching? i call that using strategy. Only a fool (and ironman's mom didn't raise no foo :P) wouldn't use full adavantage in a fight where their life is on the line.

Iron still punched out the hulk. If a punch isn't brute force, then what is it? The fact that the explosion hurt hulk only emphasizes the point that physical force CAN hurt him.

And correct me if i'm wrong, cuz i'm really not sure, but is current hulk more powerful than 60's hulk?

Cuz the thing about superman was that current supes was trained by mongul's son in the OWaW arc to fully utilize his powers too their fullest extent. That was how he got 'stronger'.


thanks for proving my point, and he's not going to back down out of fear and cowardice from Supes punches like the new doomsday did. And comparing the two is an affront to the Hulk.


....Doomsday never backed down. He was KO'd by new and improved supes. Which comic are you reading?

jemakai
01-30-2006, 02:52 PM
Bullet is right for once, Superman defeats Hulk since it has been proven time and time against that the hulk is still capable of being knocked out. Superman rarely gets knocked out especially when kryptonite is involved.

unknowndanex
01-30-2006, 05:16 PM
imperiex is a cosmic being. he's on a whole 'nother level. That's like the hulk losing to galactus. It's understandable.




what scorpio meant with his scans was that superman is capable of becoming intangible REACTIVELY to every punch that doomsday threw. That meant htat doomsday could NOT connect a punch with supes (unless he let him).

Everytime doomsday would throw a punch, superman would vibrate and his punch would go right through. This is significant because if doomsday is indeed faster than the hulk (which he probably is), and superman dodged doomsday's punches, then that means that the hulk cannot consistently connect his fists to superman at all. I didn't consider it before.


Hyperion and Gladiator probably are really fast, but they've never demonstrated speed like that before -- where they vibrate themselves fast enough that they phase through solid objects. Kinda like waht vision does.




Nah. Superman's a scientist. He KNOWS where the structure of the brain, human body, air pressure, etc etc etc.

There's only two things superman needs to find out to use his lobotomy thingy:

1) This one's a no-brainer: the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. :P
2) His heat vision can indeed penetrate hulk's flesh.

Superman would never lobotomize an opponent, of course, but i'm assuming that in fights in the outskirts battledom, all the characters are going all out without any mercy and straight for the win.




All superman brings to this fight (even in the case of lobotomy) is own reporter's intuition (his own detective skills, which he has), knowledge of science, and his powers -- essentially, himself.

To bring soething like kryptonite in this is bringing in 3rd party object... can't do that. Superman isn't going to bring a "happify yourself" laser gun, just as hulk can't bring in kryptonite.




If superman indeedy is really going to go into 'slugger mode' and stay in slugger mode, you can't deny that there's still a chance that superman would knock him out before he gets strong enough to knock supes out.




Like whoa. That means that superman CAN possibly kill him with just heat vision and taking him to space.........




I'm not sure of the others, but in hulk 402 (i think) juggernaut started thrashing him around and might've even killed him if he wasn't ordered back by red skull.




....assuming he isn't KO'd like ironman did with ONE PUNCH or nearly beat him to death like juggy did. And assuming superman is stupid enough to only keep on slugging him, if he indeed can't take on hulk blow for blow.




Suckerpunching? i call that using strategy. Only a fool (and ironman's mom didn't raise no foo :P) wouldn't use full adavantage in a fight where their life is on the line. And correct me if i'm wrong, but is current hulk more powerful than 60's hulk?

Cuz the thing about superman was that current supes was trained by mongul's son in the OWaW arc to fully utilize his powers too their fullest extent. That was how he got stronger.




....Doomsday never backed down. He was KO'd by new and improved supes.


once again, i am not referring to Imperiex beating doomsday as reference to this. i'm referring to the fact that superman exposed the fear doomsday had. a fear he experienced and never recovered from after imperiex beat him. thats it.

well superman would be intangible all day cause Hulk can punch for days without tiring, and all that vibrating does exert energy. superman does lose energy while using his speed, not a lot, but if he's vibrating constantly, he will tire pretty quickly. superman would probably need to use his maneuverability.

it doesn't really take a feat to say if someone can do something or not. could Silver Surfer vibrate before he displayed it in a comic, or course he could. u can't go off feats all the time just because a writer chose not to do it. if gladiator is transcending past the speed of light then he can vibrate his molecules. people in marvel don't fight like that normally though, they wanna actually have a good fight.

i don't think the heat vision will work, as my scans showed hulk's rage can increase faster than all of u think. just like how his anger increased 3 fold in seconds and genis only blasted him once. u can't keep goin off a gladiator scan when hulk wasn't even angry forreal.

http://img226.echo.cx/img226/8564/avengersih322a3sj.jpg

thats hulks reaction to every form of deadly radiation attack that Monica had

hulk heals from brain damage and that depends on rage too, he healed from the brain damage in my pic even though he was having transformation problems, he was at a weak state. like u said, superman would most likely figure it out after he sees hulk gettin angrier and angrier, by that time its not gonna work. and actually that would leave supes vulnerable cause he wouldn't be ready for someone to get up from that type of attack.

here's ironman punch vs hulk for u

http://img219.echo.cx/img219/7586/ironman16bf.jpg
http://img219.echo.cx/img219/9379/ironman1a0si.jpg

the only time IronMan had any business hurting the Hulk was when he made that Hulkbuster Armor, that was a great armor by the way. But things like are up to the creative team, they wanna make a good story, they don't want their people beating everyone even though they probably could cause its not good business. this has nothing to do with the fight but this is about some things u will see that don't make since. superman sales have once again hit a low because they are making the same mistakes they made before Crisis on Infinite Earths. The Crisis was done because sales were down and to give a fresh start especially for the crazy crap Pre-Crisis Superman was doing (you even had little kids wondering how can someone beat superman if he ever lost) and now it appears they haven't learned and are having another crisis. if u look underneath what Batman said in crisis about the last time superman inspired anyone. that was also the last time DC got a big spike, because it showed that yes, superman can be beaten. marvel on the other hand are influenced by the many fans for different heroes. Spiderman is the most popular character ever, Ironman was popular as hell back then, x-men, fantastic four, i wouldn't be surprised if Captain America beat the Hulk in Marvel. Whereas DC, your fanbase is basically centered around Superman, Batman, and WonderWoman. the only reason the majority would know anyone else is because of JLA on cartoon network. look at Thor, he has become the strongest person in the universe basically and now he is in the Sleep of the Gods cause whats the point of having Thor beat the hell outta everyone now. just something i felt i had to get off my chest when it came to people like ironman beating hulk with one punch in his normal armor.

and i wasn't saying hulk never lost by brute force, i was saying Thor didn't do it. of course i know what juggernaut did, thats my boy. yet juggs is way more powerful than supes so thats no biggie. juggs strength can rise right with the hulk's, he's invulnerable, both of which superman isn't. and the time juggs beat the shit outta him was when hulk was professor, and he didn't know who he was fighting. but the real fight, man to man, it was a draw and hulk ripped his helmet off and threw him. but the x-men interrupted the fight. damn them!!!!!!!!

i wasn't saying doomsday backed down, but doomsday was never the same after the imperiex fight. and thats why superman made the statement.

Viciousness
01-30-2006, 08:21 PM
unkowndanex already addressed most of the points for me and Im short on time, but there was one in particular I wanted to personally respond to

....Doomsday never backed down. He was KO'd by new and improved supes. Which comic are you reading?

how bout the one Scorpio just posted of the fight 2 pages ago: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7928/sup175pg260ot.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5156/sup175pg278tt.jpg

Doomsday is obviously backing down and not the same due to fear. Supes said it himself. Hulk will only fear more rage, lust for battle, and not fear. Now which comic are you reading? Or were you just skimming through it?

unknowndanex
01-30-2006, 08:27 PM
DY has a point, look at what superman is saying

Doomsday never felt pain or understood it
he never feared anyone
It had affected his strength and speed
he will never be the same again

come on now, lets get real

Bullet
01-30-2006, 10:29 PM
well superman would be intangible all day cause Hulk can punch for days without tiring, and all that vibrating does exert energy.

Superman is able to fight for weeks and Hulk still isn't fast enough to hit Superman either.

superman does lose energy while using his speed, not a lot, but if he's vibrating constantly, he will tire pretty quickly. superman would probably need to use his maneuverability.


Superman has never tire from using superspeed.:confused:

it doesn't really take a feat to say if someone can do something or not. could Silver Surfer vibrate before he displayed it in a comic, or course he could. u can't go off feats all the time just because a writer chose not to do it. if gladiator is transcending past the speed of light then he can vibrate his molecules. people in marvel don't fight like that normally though, they wanna actually have a good fight.

No it doesn't, because traveling speed is different from fighting speed. Gladiator (he never used it against Thor, Hulk, or Colossus, he can't fight at high speeds) or Surfer has never fought at high speeds before.

i don't think the heat vision will work, as my scans showed hulk's rage can increase faster than all of u think. just like how his anger increased 3 fold in seconds and genis only blasted him once. u can't keep goin off a gladiator scan when hulk wasn't even angry forreal.

Hulk was very anrgy when he nearly got killed from Gladiator's Heat Vision. Superman's Heat Vision will kill him.


hulk heals from brain damage and that depends on rage too, he healed from the brain damage in my pic even though he was having transformation problems, he was at a weak state.

Hulk was still recovering from brain damage though, so he doesn't heal very quickly from that.

like u said, superman would most likely figure it out after he sees hulk gettin angrier and angrier, by that time its not gonna work.

How do you know?

and actually that would leave supes vulnerable cause he wouldn't be ready for someone to get up from that type of attack.

Superman is already in any type of situation and has been in alot worse.

Scorpio3.14
01-30-2006, 10:53 PM
the only time IronMan had any business hurting the Hulk was when he made that Hulkbuster Armor, that was a great armor by the way.

Did you see the scans Bullet posted on page 6 that shows Ironman KOing the Hulk in his normal suit? Sure, it was a double KO and took everything Ironman had but needless to say Superman>>>>Ironman.

Namor has also KOed Hulk twice IIRC correctly. Namor is good but he aint no Superman.

unknowndanex
01-30-2006, 11:42 PM
Superman is able to fight for weeks and Hulk still isn't fast enough to hit Superman either.




Superman has never tire from using superspeed.:confused:



No it doesn't, because traveling speed is different from fighting speed. Gladiator (he never used it against Thor, Hulk, or Colossus, he can't fight at high speeds) or Surfer has never fought at high speeds before.



Hulk was very anrgy when he nearly got killed from Gladiator's Heat Vision. Superman's Heat Vision will kill him.




Hulk was still recovering from brain damage though, so he doesn't heal very quickly from that.



How do you know?



Superman is already in any type of situation and has been in alot worse.


Hulk can't fight for weeks too at peak performance so that didn't prove anything there. When it comes to superman tiring from speed i was saying he could tired if he vibrated as much as lucky put him out to be. He doesn't vibrate all the time like that constantly. Surfer has fought at high speeds before and he vibrated during a fight as well.

i showed u the pic of Glads fighting Hyperion at high speeds so i'm not referring to that anymore. u seem to be in denial of that pic.

and what makes u think Hulk was that angry. he was talkin to gladiator the whole time, that wasn't normal hulk, he didn't get that angry at that time. what are u talkin bout? now u making stuff up

and like i said hulk was having problems in transformation that led to him bein laid out like that, as u can see brain damage was just one of the problems from the pic.

i know that hulk will heal faster because that is what he does when he gets angrier, its called power and abilities of the hulk.

show me where superman lobotomized someone and it didn't work.


Did you see the scans Bullet posted on page 6 that shows Ironman KOing the Hulk in his normal suit? Sure, it was a double KO and took everything Ironman had but needless to say Superman>>>>Ironman.

Namor has also KOed Hulk twice IIRC correctly. Namor is good but he aint no Superman.

now i couldn't see bullet's scans of IronMan, but from what DrunkenYoshimaster is saying, IronMan sucker punched him. but i don't know the exact basis of the fight so i can't comment. but i can comment that u saw what IronMan's punch did to Hulk in my pic, its called PIS. and made a long statement about why hulk will lose to people he has no business losing to. he lost to Namor twice, yet he beat Namor underwater one time.

as characters go, Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Ironman, Hulk >>>>>>>>Namor. The guy fought Juggs to a standstill, he fought SilverSurfer and Namor at the same time, and beat 4 Avengers by himself that included WonderMan, IronMan, Hercules, and i forgot the 4th.

Superman would lose this fight.

Bullet
01-31-2006, 12:11 AM
Hulk can't fight for weeks too at peak performance so that didn't prove anything there.

So can Superman, which is what I was just trying to prove anyways.


When it comes to superman tiring from speed i was saying he could tired if he vibrated as much as lucky put him out to be.

But he's never been shown to tire from using superspeed, Superman will just pick the right time to do it anyways, he doesn't have to just stand there phasing through Hulk's attacks.

He doesn't vibrate all the time like that constantly.

Superman has done it on several occassion, even recently.

Surfer has fought at high speeds before and he vibrated during a fight as well.

Surfer has never been shown to fight at high speeds, only in flight speed.

i showed u the pic of Glads fighting Hyperion at high speeds so i'm not referring to that anymore. u seem to be in denial of that pic.

That doesn't show them fighting at high speeds, but only using flight speed. Glads has never fought at high speeds (he has never even used it in fights against people like Thor, Hulk, Thing, and Colossus, all who doesn't have superspeed).

and what makes u think Hulk was that angry. he was talkin to gladiator the whole time, that wasn't normal hulk, he didn't get that angry at that time. what are u talkin bout? now u making stuff up

Hulk was bigger than he normally is, he whouldn't have been able to take Glads at normal levels.

and like i said hulk was having problems in transformation that led to him bein laid out like that, as u can see brain damage was just one of the problems from the pic.

Then show the rest, because he seems to be in his normal form with the brain damage, and it doesn't really prove that he's immune to it either, since he's out cold in the pic.

i know that hulk will heal faster because that is what he does when he gets angrier, its called power and abilities of the hulk.

Hulk can still be badly damaged and KOed though.

show me where superman lobotomized someone and it didn't work.

There was one posted 2 pages back I think.

as characters go, Hulk>>>>>>>>>>>Ironman, Hulk >>>>>>>>Namor.

Ironman and Namor has beaten Hulk.

Superman would lose this fight.

Superman wins.

unknowndanex
01-31-2006, 02:59 AM
So can Superman, which is what I was just trying to prove anyways.




But he's never been shown to tire from using superspeed, Superman will just pick the right time to do it anyways, he doesn't have to just stand there phasing through Hulk's attacks.



Superman has done it on several occassion, even recently.



Surfer has never been shown to fight at high speeds, only in flight speed.



That doesn't show them fighting at high speeds, but only using flight speed. Glads has never fought at high speeds (he has never even used it in fights against people like Thor, Hulk, Thing, and Colossus, all who doesn't have superspeed).



Hulk was bigger than he normally is, he whouldn't have been able to take Glads at normal levels.



Then show the rest, because he seems to be in his normal form with the brain damage, and it doesn't really prove that he's immune to it either, since he's out cold in the pic.



Hulk can still be badly damaged and KOed though.



There was one posted 2 pages back I think.



Ironman and Namor has beaten Hulk.



Superman wins.

well for your first point, we're clear on that then

i didn't say he did, thats because superman doesn't exert speed for a whole fight or for long lengths of time. yes i seen the scans of him vibrating but he did it on like a punch or two. lucky was saying it like everytime hulk hits at him, he will vibrate, and if he does that, there is a chance that will tire him out.

u must haven't seen too many silver surfer fights

u have to be pretty fast to fight inside a black hole
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-15.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-17.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-18.jpg

thats without the board
he has fights in which he actually maneuvers in hand to hand with the board like when he fought Champion.

i would probably have to try to get the rest of the Hulk pic tomorrow. he is in his normal form, he was having transformation problems though. his powers were in flux.

and actually the fight was in high speeds considering the nanosecond comment referred to hyperion countering gladiator's punch, pay attention to the pic.

i don't have scans of everything and considering u don't have many marvel comics i can't tell the issue to read cause u most likely don't have it. thor has been shown to fight fast plenty of times, just pick up a thor comic.

the lobotomy pic showed 2 pages back showed him successfully doing it and the guy didn't recover from it. i said show me a pic of it not working.

i've explained Marvel compared to DC, like i said i wouldn't be surprised if Captain America beat the Hulk, cause Marvel makes things interesting. there's no point of having a hero and u can't implement him with the other earth heros. its like Thor, when he is with the Avengers he is toned down to the fullest, yet his comics show his true powers. i mean ironman and namor beating hulk doesn't prove anything cause that is how marvel prefers to keep people interested, thats why they don't need a crisis.

Hulk wins

and if Gorilla Grodd can catch Flash, i'm sure Hulk can adapt to Superman.

lucky
01-31-2006, 04:19 AM
how bout the one Scorpio just posted of the fight 2 pages ago: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7928/sup175pg260ot.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5156/sup175pg278tt.jpg

Doomsday is obviously backing down and not the same due to fear. Supes said it himself. Hulk will only fear more rage, lust for battle, and not fear. Now which comic are you reading? Or were you just skimming through it?


thanks for proving my point, and he's not going to back down out of fear and cowardice from Supes punches like the new doomsday did. And comparing the two is an affront to the Hulk.


Define backing down. Here i thought it meant 'stepping back from a fight', which he didn't do. Didn't doomsday keep on fighting and get knocked out?

Dictionary.com : Ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

Where in those panels did he turn tail, run, beg for forgiveness or mercy, or 'back down out of cowardice'?

Viciousness
01-31-2006, 02:53 PM
Define backing down. Here i thought it meant 'stepping back from a fight', which he didn't do. Didn't doomsday keep on fighting and get knocked out?

Dictionary.com : Ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.

Where in those panels did he turn tail, run, beg for forgiveness or mercy, or 'back down out of cowardice'?

If Superman says he's not coming as hard as he would have due to this new fear then Doomsday is backing down due to fear. I didnt say he retreated now, but Im pretty sure that would fit in with most peoples interpratation of Backing Down (Not just UnknowndaneX and mines), and Hulk isnt going to do that was my point.

lucky
01-31-2006, 04:22 PM
If Superman says he's not coming as hard as he would have due to this new fear then Doomsday is backing down due to fear. I didnt say he retreated now, but Im pretty sure that would fit in with most peoples interpratation of Backing Down (Not just UnknowndaneX and mines), and Hulk isnt going to do that was my point.

yeah, backing down implies to retreat. It means that during a confrontation, you 'back down', 'retreat', to withdraw back.


back down: To withdraw from a position, opinion, or commitment.

You added 'cowardice' as a reason why he backed down which backs mine and dictionary.com's definition and contradicts your own, as a coward indeed acts ignoble like backs off, retreats, or begs for mercy.


But yes, i understand your saying that hulk doesn't let fear and doubt affect his fighting.

Viciousness
01-31-2006, 06:09 PM
I could say someone is backing down with each blow traded and its going to mean that their resolve is wavering due to fear. And how else do you let fear affect you save for cowardice. It's not really that big of an issue since you get what Im saying, but I dont find the term "back down" do be so concrete that it can only be used when someone flees the battle (but in this case their resolve wavers as a result of . People say Shaun Alexander backs down more every time he gets hit on the field. That doesnt mean he avoids running everytime, simply he wont come as hard next time because he's afraid. Similarly Doomsday's resolve to go all out against Superman was weakened due to fear. I dont think even an expert of the english language would disagree with that interpratation, but this is getting to be argument for arguments sake so back to the battle.

Bullet
01-31-2006, 06:12 PM
Similarly Doomsday's resolve to go all out against Superman was weakened due to fear. I dont think even an expert of the english language would disagree with that interpratation, but this is getting to be argument for arguments sake so back to the battle.

Doesn't matter though, because Superman has gotten more powerful since there last meeting anyways and Doomsday was attacking with the intentions of killing Superman. The recent Doomsday is even more powerful now though.

unknowndanex
01-31-2006, 07:22 PM
well Doomsday can now be considered as a good guy after tryin to help Superman against Gog (even though Superman died, and i know that Superman was much weaker than the one we're using). doomsday developed conpassion, and love, and whatever else was good. he is considerably more powerful.

but your picture wasn't of superman fighting that doomsday, so that was just a vague point.

Bullet
02-03-2006, 12:39 PM
To unknowndanex


Hulk wins

Hulk loses

and if Gorilla Grodd can catch Flash,

Gorilla Grodd fights Flash with mind attacks.

i'm sure Hulk can adapt to Superman.

Hulk won't have the time or the ability to adapt to Superman before he's KOed.

unknowndanex
02-03-2006, 12:49 PM
To unknowndanex




Hulk loses



Gorilla Grodd fights Flash with mind attacks.



Hulk won't have the time or the ability to adapt to Superman before he's KOed.

To address these points obviously aimed to me..........

Hulk Wins

He didn't use a mind attack in that issue

Hulk always had time to adapt to speed, and Superman will be no different. and considering he's had experience with the speed, he probably won't have to adapt, he'll know what to do with that guy.

Bullet
02-03-2006, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=unknowndanex]To address these points obviously aimed to me..........

That right!


Hulk Wins

Hulk loses

He didn't use a mind attack in that issue

Show the scan then, because Gorilla can't beat Flash without it.

Hulk always had time to adapt to speed, and Superman will be no different.

Hulk has never adapted to Speed and is way slower than Superman.

and considering he's had experience with the speed, he probably won't have to adapt, he'll know what to do with that guy.

Superman has also had experience with people who have Superspeed and bricks like Hulk, Superman will win.:)

unknowndanex
02-03-2006, 03:00 PM
i showed u too many times of hulk fighting people who are fast, DrunkenYoshimaster has too so i won't waste my time of showing those pics.

Superman has no experience with anyone like Hulk, Hulk is stronger and more durable than superman. Which is normally the formula to beat superman.

oh yeah, and hulk wins

Arilou
02-03-2006, 03:12 PM
If Superman goes all out for the kill from the beginning, he wins.

If He fights like he normally does, he loses. Simple as that.

Scorpio3.14
02-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Superman has no experience with anyone like Hulk

Doomsday anyone????

Plus there is Lobo, Solomon Grundy, Mongul, Mongul's son, Orion, Darkseid (before he was a jobber), and many others. Superman has beaten people that were many times stronger then him physically even if Hulk gets really pissed.

unknowndanex
02-03-2006, 08:31 PM
Doomsday doesn't have the regeneration factor, the strength increase factor or stronger than him for that.

This ain't no scared Doomsday here.

Doomsday is not the Hulk

and like is said the hulk is the formula for beating superman

Mongul beat him, didn't need much speed
Doomsday killed him
Darkseid used to beat him w/o using omega beams
Solomon Grundy in his right incarnation kicked Supes ass as well making him fly him to another planet, that makes bullet happy considering he has no other chance of beating the hulk less than taking him to the sun.

of course superman has experience, i know he beat mongul easily now but thats cause DC has a habit of turning past villains into jobbers........poor poor Darkseid, its like even though supes gets an increase, the villains still look like they got a decrease. but yeah, Superman has an experience losing to these guys or gettin his ass kicked.
Darkseid is one character that was noticebly toned down. come one now, WW defelecting the Omega Beams with the bracelets and Supes smacking it away with heat vision? Just something that pissed me off.

lucky
02-03-2006, 09:08 PM
Recap time!!!! This is based on the assumption that they're meeting in a fight and going straight for the win. We're using current superman and current hulk (savage one i guess).


Empirical facts:


Superman's Powers: Superspeed, Heat Vision, Microscopic vision, more vision, super hearing, Flight, Invulnerability, Strength, Intangibility (superspeed).

Superman's skills: MArtial arts training/tactical combat training from WW and Mongul (both superman-level physical powerhouses, but with training in fighting since virtually childhood), scientist.

Superman's disadvantages: Kryptonite, MAgic


Hulk's powers: Limited invulnerability, Accelerated regeneration, Superstrength, enhanced reflexes

Hulk's Skills: ...

Hulk's disadvantages: psychological instability, negligable skills in tactical combat, low IQ


Just by their list of powers and abilities it's clear that superman has clear advantage.

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Now what the 'official' people say:


I owned an official DC sourcebook on superman before, but i lost the book and therefore can't scan it. I will tell you what it says to compare the hulk and supes. Keep in mind that this is pre-death of superman superman... superman's gotten much, MUCH stronger since.

Superman's Strength: 800,000 tons without strain. He can carry more but it would leave him exhasted.

Superman's Durability: Survived 40 megaton thermalnuclear explosion


http://www.hulklibrary.com/][/url]
I'm not sure on how official these sites are but seems pretty accurate. The webmaster probably knows more about hulk than most of us, though.


The Hulk's Strength: The hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range.

The Hulk's Durability: In addition to great strength, the Hulk's body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury, pain, and disease. The Hulk's skin is capable of withstanding great heat without blistering (up to 3,000 Fahrenheit), great cold without freezing (down to -190 F), and great impacts (he can survive direct hits by field artillery cannon shells). It is possible to injure him: he could not, for example, survive a near-hit with a nuclear warhead. The Hulk's highly efficient physiology renders him immune to all terrestrial disease.


Now, I know that the hulk has potentially unlimited strength and higher regeneration, but compare their base forms. The gap speaks for itself. Aside from that, the superman we're using is already much much stronger than the one from pre-death (which is the one i'm using to compare).


More official people:


Superman vs. Hulk: We actually saw this already in Marvel vs. DC #3, which saw Supes coming out on top. While the Hulk can stand toe-to-toe in strength, Big Blue's superspeed, flight and heat vision put him over the top.

taken from here: http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm


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FACT!!!!!!The hulk been beaten physically or overpowered physically before by more than one person. (juggernaut, abomination (earlier on), thor with his hammer, ironman)

To say that the hulk will continue taking hits and will remain concious long enough to overpower superman is willful ignorance.


willful ignorance why? : TOTALLY refusing (which is what some of you guys are doing) to believe the FACT that the hulk can be knocked out or can be bested physically.


*[i]Take notice of how i am not denying that it is possible that superman can get knocked out by the hulk...

Also take that after this point, there will be more conjectures and assumptions:


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Possible plausible methods of beating the hulk:

-Knock out
-Lobotomy with heat vision, resulting in hulk's transformaiton back into banner. (Hulk's skin CAN be penetrated and superman DOES have the knowledge to do this)
-Normal heat vision (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)
-fly him into space (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)
-toss him into the sun (which hulk cannot survive)
-Drown him in the ocean
-Create a vacuum and suck up all the air out of hulk's breath until he passes out. The hulk might be able to hold his breath but if superman sucks all the air out he'll have no air to 'hold'.


Possible plausible methods of beating the superman:
-Knock out with his fists.

Again, advantage enormously in superman's favor.



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lets look at the counters for each of the plausible methods of winning:


Possible plausible methods of beating the hulk:

-Knock out. Superman might not be strong enough to knock him out
-Lobotomy with heat vision, resulting in hulk's transformaiton back into banner. (Hulk's skin CAN be penetrated and superman DOES have the knowledge to do this) you tell me
-Normal heat vision (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator) Hulk might be able to repeat what he did to gladiator, IF superman's heat vision is weaker (it can get as hot as the fucking sun) and IF he's smart enough. Keep in mind that it was the intelligent Professor hulk that figured it out.
-fly him into space (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)hulk can try to wrestle out of hte air
-toss him into the sun (which hulk cannot survive)no clue what hulk can do if he's flying towards the sun at hypersonic speed
-Drown him in the oceanhulk can try to swim out while superman (still moving at hypersonic speed with perfect mobility in water) tries to keep him down)
-Create a vacuum and suck up all the air out of hulk's breath until he passes out. The hulk might be able to hold his breath but if superman sucks all the air out he'll have no air to 'hold'.No clue what hulk could do.



Possible plausible methods of beating the superman:
-Knock out with his fists.become intangible, or knock him out first.


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One thing scorpio (thank you) showed was superman reactively becoming intangible to doomsday's fists. If used on the hulk, it could effectively mean that the hulk can not connect his fists to superman. That would mean that the ONLY way for him to beat superman would be taken away from him.

Unknownamadex (sp? sorry) said that superman 'might' get tired from that. Most likely no. Superman flies across space at near light speed and has travelled the world in superspeed for long periods of times. Moving quickly enough to become intangible to occasionally dodge a punch for a second would not tire him out-- at least not significantly.


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I admit that it's still not clear-cut that superman will win or will lose since the two have never really fought it out canonically (:P new word).

But when you compare all the tools at their disposal, you see how much variety supes has compared to hulk's limited options, and it's just.... logical to choose superman. :S Totally logical...

unknowndanex
02-04-2006, 12:59 AM
ok about the speed thing, flying at light speed to a planet is different from vibrating your molecules. number 2 yall are saying vibrating as if he will vibrate the whole fight, which would tire him out. if he does it for a second, then whats the point?

now for the powers and abilities, based on what u put all u know is superman. marveldirectory has about the oldest profile of Hulk there is. here is a better list of Hulk's powers:

Invulnerability increasing with rage
Strength in EXCESS[B] of 100 tons that increases [B]EXPONENTIALLY with rage.
Regeneration that increases with rage
Held 150 BILLION TONS and wasn't that angry.

Increases in those areas also when he's angry, in potentially harmful (while struggling to lift something), and life-threatning situations. Invunerable enough to take temperatures in EXCESS of 3000 degress F and survive vacuums of space unharmed.

Hulk has also changed since the last time your marvel directory profile made an update, which has been too many years ago. When Banner and the Unleashed Hulk were remerged, Banner's influence moderated the Hulk somewhat, making him a more level-headed version of the normal Hulk.

And of course you are obviously going online looking for all the Hulk info you can get, because Hulk has survived too many nuclear missles and nuclear level explosions.
http://img154.exs.cx/img154/3918/cobaltman10pz.jpg
http://img143.exs.cx/img143/3475/cobaltman22jn.jpg

look what is said, the explosion just made him stronger fueling his anger more
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3118/nuke54wz.jpg
http://img11.echo.cx/img11/489/durabilitynuke4a8sf.jpg

then you go off of wizards Top 10 which was totally dismissed back in other threads. it is obvious u know nothing of the hulk short of what you find on an internet site, you should really go read a comic book about hulk.

then you say superman can't be beaten with anything but his fist, yet
Doomsday killed him
Before toning Darkseid down he kicked his ass
Mongul kicked his ass
Solomon Grundy had him beat and even superman said it himself which is why he flew Grundy to another planet.

then you go off of what Wizard says and if you look at their reason, all they used was the cross-over which we don't use as well. its called FAN VOTES.

Hulk has fought many people who have variety and he has won, so thats not a legitimate reason to say superman would win.

now of course Hulk lost to Juggernaut whose strength is immeasurable but heres the difference between this and the other fights you have Hulk losing.

Thor has gotten his ass kicked by Juggernaut too many times to count with and without the hammer.
The only reason Abomination beat Hulk was because Marvel figures they have to have a plot. But Hulk has beaten the cow shit out of Abomination too many times to count as well.
This is Abomination at twice his strength powered up by the Galaxy Masters.
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/54/ravager18xn.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/309/ravager24qp.jpg
http://img239.echo.cx/img239/8366/ravager1d5ba.jpg
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/732/ravager35bk.jpg

But when you look at Juggernaut, Hulk has never really beaten Juggs. Why? cause Juggs is invulnerable to all physical injury, Superman wouldn't beat Juggs either really. So theres no point of bringing that up.

DROWN HULK IN THE OCEAN?????????
fighting and talking underwater
http://img137.exs.cx/img137/6/underwater7wr.jpg
http://img153.exs.cx/img153/1637/destroyer14vz.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/2548/underwater36lp.jpg

explanation of how he breathes underwater
http://img222.exs.cx/img222/1765/underwater28ss.jpg

talking in empty space
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/8583/vacuum7ha.jpg



now here's what you can do lucky, and don't think i'm being mean.

go buy a Hulk comic book, maybe a lot. read them and get information for yourself. check the date if you go back on the internet and look for a hulk profile. learn about both characters before you make your decision please, it would save someone from typing too much like i'm doing right now.

oh yeah and he's no longer psychologically instable and he resist telepaths all the time as well.

Now lets back track through methods of winning.

Possible plausible methods of beating the hulk:

-Knock out. Superman might not be strong enough to knock him out
-Lobotomy with heat vision, resulting in hulk's transformaiton back into banner. (Hulk's skin CAN be penetrated and superman DOES have the knowledge to do this) you tell me
-Normal heat vision (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator) Hulk might be able to repeat what he did to gladiator, IF superman's heat vision is weaker (it can get as hot as the fucking sun) and IF he's smart enough. Keep in mind that it was the intelligent Professor hulk that figured it out.
-fly him into space (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)hulk can try to wrestle out of hte air
-toss him into the sun (which hulk cannot survive)no clue what hulk can do if he's flying towards the sun at hypersonic speed
-Drown him in the oceanhulk can try to swim out while superman (still moving at hypersonic speed with perfect mobility in water) tries to keep him down)
-Create a vacuum and suck up all the air out of hulk's breath until he passes out. The hulk might be able to hold his breath but if superman sucks all the air out he'll have no air to 'hold'.No clue what hulk could do.

already showed that Hulk could heal from brain damage in pics while back. no point of bringin up what heat vision does to Professor Hulk (toned down Hulk). flying him to space would be a bad idea, considering he dealt a good amount of damage while in space and was talking. can't drown the guy in the ocean who can breathe underwater. vacuum won't really work considering the guy is talking in space. and storm already tried sucking up his air.

KO or taking Hulk to the Sun is the only means of Supes winning.

Possible plausible methods of beating the superman:
-Knock out with his fists.become intangible, or knock him out first.
or just do what Doomsday, Darkseid, Mongul, and Solomon Grundy did.........just kick his ass. kill him or knock him out.

now Superman can KO Hulk, but Hulk stands a better chance of getting a KO on Superman.

Now keep that in mind, i hope you have learned more about the Hulk now.

Bullet
02-04-2006, 01:33 AM
Recap time!!!! This is based on the assumption that they're meeting in a fight and going straight for the win. We're using current superman and current hulk (savage one i guess).


Empirical facts:


Superman's Powers: Superspeed, Heat Vision, Microscopic vision, more vision, super hearing, Flight, Invulnerability, Strength, Intangibility (superspeed).

Superman's skills: MArtial arts training/tactical combat training from WW and Mongul (both superman-level physical powerhouses, but with training in fighting since virtually childhood), scientist.

Superman's disadvantages: Kryptonite, MAgic


Hulk's powers: Limited invulnerability, Accelerated regeneration, Superstrength, enhanced reflexes

Hulk's Skills: ...

Hulk's disadvantages: psychological instability, negligable skills in tactical combat, low IQ


Just by their list of powers and abilities it's clear that superman has clear advantage.

------------------------------------------------------------------


Now what the 'official' people say:







Now, I know that the hulk has potentially unlimited strength and higher regeneration, but compare their base forms. The gap speaks for itself. Aside from that, the superman we're using is already much much stronger than the one from pre-death (which is the one i'm using to compare).


More official people:



taken from here: http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm


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FACT!!!!!!The hulk been beaten physically or overpowered physically before by more than one person. (juggernaut, abomination (earlier on), thor with his hammer, ironman)

To say that the hulk will continue taking hits and will remain concious long enough to overpower superman is willful ignorance.


willful ignorance why? : TOTALLY refusing (which is what some of you guys are doing) to believe the FACT that the hulk can be knocked out or can be bested physically.


*[i]Take notice of how i am not denying that it is possible that superman can get knocked out by the hulk...

Also take that after this point, there will be more conjectures and assumptions:


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Possible plausible methods of beating the hulk:

-Knock out
-Lobotomy with heat vision, resulting in hulk's transformaiton back into banner. (Hulk's skin CAN be penetrated and superman DOES have the knowledge to do this)
-Normal heat vision (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)
-fly him into space (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)
-toss him into the sun (which hulk cannot survive)
-Drown him in the ocean
-Create a vacuum and suck up all the air out of hulk's breath until he passes out. The hulk might be able to hold his breath but if superman sucks all the air out he'll have no air to 'hold'.


Possible plausible methods of beating the superman:
-Knock out with his fists.

Again, advantage enormously in superman's favor.



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lets look at the counters for each of the plausible methods of winning:


Possible plausible methods of beating the hulk:

-Knock out. Superman might not be strong enough to knock him out
-Lobotomy with heat vision, resulting in hulk's transformaiton back into banner. (Hulk's skin CAN be penetrated and superman DOES have the knowledge to do this) you tell me
-Normal heat vision (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator) Hulk might be able to repeat what he did to gladiator, IF superman's heat vision is weaker (it can get as hot as the fucking sun) and IF he's smart enough. Keep in mind that it was the intelligent Professor hulk that figured it out.
-fly him into space (which apparently hulk admitted can kill him when fighitng agaist gladiator)hulk can try to wrestle out of hte air
-toss him into the sun (which hulk cannot survive)no clue what hulk can do if he's flying towards the sun at hypersonic speed
-Drown him in the oceanhulk can try to swim out while superman (still moving at hypersonic speed with perfect mobility in water) tries to keep him down)
-Create a vacuum and suck up all the air out of hulk's breath until he passes out. The hulk might be able to hold his breath but if superman sucks all the air out he'll have no air to 'hold'.No clue what hulk could do.



Possible plausible methods of beating the superman:
-Knock out with his fists.become intangible, or knock him out first.


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One thing scorpio (thank you) showed was superman reactively becoming intangible to doomsday's fists. If used on the hulk, it could effectively mean that the hulk can not connect his fists to superman. That would mean that the ONLY way for him to beat superman would be taken away from him.

Unknownamadex (sp? sorry) said that superman 'might' get tired from that. Most likely no. Superman flies across space at near light speed and has travelled the world in superspeed for long periods of times. Moving quickly enough to become intangible to occasionally dodge a punch for a second would not tire him out-- at least not significantly.


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I admit that it's still not clear-cut that superman will win or will lose since the two have never really fought it out canonically (:P new word).

But when you compare all the tools at their disposal, you see how much variety supes has compared to hulk's limited options, and it's just.... logical to choose superman. :S Totally logical...

Nice post!

Superman wins with reasons stated in this post.:)

unknowndanex
02-04-2006, 02:34 AM
your DC bias is totally hilarious

i just proved about everything he said wrong.

zuhair
02-04-2006, 02:40 AM
superman would win for sure..hohoho..superb

Scorpio3.14
02-04-2006, 03:00 AM
ok about the speed thing, flying at light speed to a planet is different from vibrating your molecules. number 2 yall are saying vibrating as if he will vibrate the whole fight, which would tire him out. if he does it for a second, then whats the point?

He only needs to vibrate at the exact second Hulk trys to punch him and then become solid after the punch goes through. Another interesting fact, Superman can vibrate himself invisible aswell. Hows the Hulk going to hit what he cant see?

Held 150 BILLION TONS and wasn't that angry.

If you want to use the extreme examples, Superman has pulled atleast 1/3 of the moon's mass (thats waaaaaay over 150 billion tons BTW). Also, you keep bringing up that "wasnt that angry" thing but you yourself said that his strength increases when he is strugglign to lift something and in life-threating danger. Wouldnt being crushed by a mountain qualify for that? (BTW Superman has picked up mountains before.)

Invunerable enough to take temperatures in EXCESS of 3000 degress F

Hulk has twice said he almost died from high powered laser beam attacks. The one time against Gladiator in which he specifically said he would die if he didnt act quickly and then another time against Bi-Beast in Incredible Hulk v2 #216 in which it was stated that Hulk would have died if he wasnt saved quickly. Superman's heat vision is probably atleast as powerful as Gladiator's and Im sure its many times more powerful then lasers in some lab that Bi-Beats used. Plus Trauma has KOed and almost Killed the Hulk with a laser attack.

and survive vacuums of space unharmed.

Ever hear of a retcon? Authors change things about characters over time, back in the 70's and 80's comics were really rediculus with the things they did (PC Supes anyone?) and Hulk was not exceptiong to this. He was somehow able to breath and talk in space for whatever unexplained reason. However, in recent years Hulk has stated a number of times that he can not survive in space unaided (Gladiator fight being one). Maybe I missed something but has Hulk recently been able to breath in space in any comic?

already showed that Hulk could heal from brain damage in pics while back.

1. Brain damage =/= lobodomy. If Supes wanted to he could turn Hulks brain to soup or cut it into hundreds of pieces, just a little bit more severe then brain damage dont you think? 2. Hulk was unconsious in that picture and he was healing slowly. If this is the case cant Superman just throw Hulk in the sun or something while hes unconsious healing from the lobodomy if he can heal that is?

no point of bringin up what heat vision does to Professor Hulk (toned down Hulk).

Merged Hulk (later retconed, weakened, and re-named Professor Hulk) has the same Healing factor as Savage Hulk at base levels, its only when Savage Hulk gets really really pissed that his healing factor exceeds Merged Hulk. Assumeing Superman uses this option before that point you cant just write off the Gladiator heat vision thing.

flying him to space would be a bad idea, considering he dealt a good amount of damage while in space and was talking.

Once Hulk gets to space the fight is over, Superman has won. Even if Hulk can breath in space (which I dont think he can, he has said he cant) Hulk cant fly and is at the total mercy of Superman. He just needs to flick Hulk in the general direction of the Sun and its over.

unknowndanex
02-04-2006, 04:16 AM
He only needs to vibrate at the exact second Hulk trys to punch him and then become solid after the punch goes through. Another interesting fact, Superman can vibrate himself invisible aswell. Hows the Hulk going to hit what he cant see?

considering Hulk would continously hit and can do that for days and weeks, that wouldn't really prove to much in the fight and superman would tire. if he is vibrating everytime hulk throws a punch and hulk keeps throwin punches then yes he is vibrating the whole fight.

If you want to use the extreme examples, Superman has pulled atleast 1/3 of the moon's mass (thats waaaaaay over 150 billion tons BTW). Also, you keep bringing up that "wasnt that angry" thing but you yourself said that his strength increases when he is strugglign to lift something and in life-threating danger. Wouldnt being crushed by a mountain qualify for that? (BTW Superman has picked up mountains before.)

hulk could do it too if he could fly. and yes he increases when he struggles to lift something, and that was actually proving my point so i don't see what was the purpose of that statement. thats why i said what i said about 150 bil tons.

Hulk has twice said he almost died from high powered laser beam attacks. The one time against Gladiator in which he specifically said he would die if he didnt act quickly and then another time against Bi-Beast in Incredible Hulk v2 #216 in which it was stated that Hulk would have died if he wasnt saved quickly. Superman's heat vision is probably atleast as powerful as Gladiator's and Im sure its many times more powerful then lasers in some lab that Bi-Beats used. Plus Trauma has KOed and almost Killed the Hulk with a laser attack.

you bring that up, then bring up retcon. so i guess the good things about hulk should be erased and things like lasers defeating him even though he stands up to nuclear attacks should be taken more seriously. like i've stated on several ocassions, in Marvel i wouldn't be surprised if Captain America beat Hulk so seeing lower level people beat him after he's beaten the likes of Thor, IronMan, Abomination, Gladiator, Hyperion, etc etc etc., i don't worry too much about the plothole losses he takes.

case and point, here's disentegrating lasers that make trauma's lasers look like shit being knocked around by hulk. kills namor in one hit.

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/7462/TheEnd1.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/4475/TheEnd2.jpg

1. Brain damage =/= lobodomy. If Supes wanted to he could turn Hulks brain to soup or cut it into hundreds of pieces, just a little bit more severe then brain damage dont you think? 2. Hulk was unconsious in that picture and he was healing slowly. If this is the case cant Superman just throw Hulk in the sun or something while hes unconsious healing from the lobodomy if he can heal that is?

honestly, its not gonna work, you're referring to hulk in flux which is why his regeneration was slow. and of course supes can throw him the sun, thats what i said so many times. but thats the only thing he can do to win.

Merged Hulk (later retconed, weakened, and re-named Professor Hulk) has the same Healing factor as Savage Hulk at base levels, its only when Savage Hulk gets really really pissed that his healing factor exceeds Merged Hulk. Assumeing Superman uses this option before that point you cant just write off the Gladiator heat vision thing.

actually the regeneration process is faster or slower depending on base levels because of the difference in adrenaline he produces and speed at which it is going. that was just a false statement. i don't write off gladiator i just say it would have affected the normal hulk differently, which is true.

Once Hulk gets to space the fight is over, Superman has won. Even if Hulk can breath in space (which I dont think he can, he has said he cant) Hulk cant fly and is at the total mercy of Superman. He just needs to flick Hulk in the general direction of the Sun and its over.

responded basically to that already, but then thats not really a fight. thats a cop out like he copped out on Solomon. so i guess its in superman's character to bitch out a fight when he's gettin his ass kicked.

Scorpio3.14
02-04-2006, 04:52 AM
considering Hulk would continously hit and can do that for days and weeks, that wouldn't really prove to much in the fight and superman would tire. if he is vibrating everytime hulk throws a punch and hulk keeps throwin punches then yes he is vibrating the whole fight.

You assume Superman is going to be doing nothing but Vibrateing the whole time. The vibration thing is more of a precautionary measure just incase Hulk somehow manages to get close enough to Superman to actually make physical contact with him. However, to be able to move and process information at near the speed of light this really shouldnt happen, but just in case he can always just beocme intangible.

hulk could do it too if he could fly.

Proof???

and yes he increases when he struggles to lift something, and that was actually proving my point so i don't see what was the purpose of that statement. thats why i said what i said about 150 bil tons.

The purpose of that statement was to show how that whole "wasnt even that mad" crap you are throwing around is crap. He dosnt have to be mad to get the kinda strength boost he normally gets only when really pissed in a situation like that one.

honestly, its not gonna work, you're referring to hulk in flux which is why his regeneration was slow.

Why is it not going to work? We dont know how regular Hulk would have fared in that situation, he definatly would have delt with it better/faster but HOW MUCH we dont know. Secondly, I repeat, brain damage =/= Lobodomy, entirely different scale when you consider what Superman can do to a brain.

actually the regeneration process is faster or slower depending on base levels because of the difference in adrenaline he produces and speed at which it is going. that was just a false statement. i don't write off gladiator i just say it would have affected the normal hulk differently, which is true.

Again, at the time when Hulk fought Gladiator he was in a form called Merged Hulk. He had the strength and healing factor of Savage Hulk and the intelliegence of Bruce Banner. This was later retconed but that dosnt change the fact that a version of the Hulk with the healing factor of Savage Hulk said that Gladiator's heat vision would have killed him.

responded basically to that already, but then thats not really a fight. thats a cop out like he copped out on Solomon. so i guess its in superman's character to bitch out a fight when he's gettin his ass kicked.

The sun thing is only one valid way for Superman to defeat Hulk. Superman uses his brain, hes not like Hulk and just trys to smash every opponent he comes up against. You call it bitching out, I call it fighting smart.

unknowndanex
02-04-2006, 07:15 AM
You assume Superman is going to be doing nothing but Vibrateing the whole time. The vibration thing is more of a precautionary measure just incase Hulk somehow manages to get close enough to Superman to actually make physical contact with him. However, to be able to move and process information at near the speed of light this really shouldnt happen, but just in case he can always just beocme intangible.


i wasn't assuming, i was actually tryin to see if thats what yall were saying. i was just tryin to get my question which was "will he be vibrating every single punch" answered

Proof???

theres no proof he can there is none that he can't, but hulk's strength is greater than superman's so he would conceivably be able to do it. but i don't think hulk will go from jumping to flying (like superman did).

The purpose of that statement was to show how that whole "wasnt even that mad" crap you are throwing around is crap. He dosnt have to be mad to get the kinda strength boost he normally gets only when really pissed in a situation like that one.

um actually, either lucky or bullet kept giving me crap about he can't get strong that quickly and the 150 billion tons thing was proof that he can. i already know what i'm talkin bout, why don't u refer that to lucky or bullet. pay attention to the thread please before jumping on me for nothing.

Why is it not going to work? We dont know how regular Hulk would have fared in that situation, he definatly would have delt with it better/faster but HOW MUCH we dont know. Secondly, I repeat, brain damage =/= Lobodomy, entirely different scale when you consider what Superman can do to a brain.

why will it work? hulk is not gonna stand there and let it happen, so that option as far as i'm concerned is something i won't really worry bout.

Again, at the time when Hulk fought Gladiator he was in a form called Merged Hulk. He had the strength and healing factor of Savage Hulk and the intelliegence of Bruce Banner. This was later retconed but that dosnt change the fact that a version of the Hulk with the healing factor of Savage Hulk said that Gladiator's heat vision would have killed him.

lol, now u sound like a definition from an internet site. but seriously merged hulk's healing factor isn't on Savage's level. he has a much lesser degree of anger that savage had, he couldn't tap into rage enhancements like savage hulk could either. meaning he couldn't boost his regeneration and durability like savage hulk or normal hulk could. thats fact. there's no point of questioning me on hulk facts, cause i'm solid on them.


The sun thing is only one valid way for Superman to defeat Hulk. Superman uses his brain, hes not like Hulk and just trys to smash every opponent he comes up against. You call it bitching out, I call it fighting smart.

yeah this is what i'll compare that to in bitching level.......

i'm whuppin someones ass, and then once he figures out he got his ass kicked he gets a gun and shoots me. thats basically what superman is doing if thats what he has to resort to because he gettin his ass kicked.

and the person who shot me will say he was bein smart.

and as i can see, its obvious you've given up on superman even fighting the hulk, talkin bout the sun and lobotomy.

Bullet
02-05-2006, 01:48 AM
He only needs to vibrate at the exact second Hulk trys to punch him and then become solid after the punch goes through. Another interesting fact, Superman can vibrate himself invisible aswell. Hows the Hulk going to hit what he cant see?



If you want to use the extreme examples, Superman has pulled atleast 1/3 of the moon's mass (thats waaaaaay over 150 billion tons BTW). Also, you keep bringing up that "wasnt that angry" thing but you yourself said that his strength increases when he is strugglign to lift something and in life-threating danger. Wouldnt being crushed by a mountain qualify for that? (BTW Superman has picked up mountains before.)



Hulk has twice said he almost died from high powered laser beam attacks. The one time against Gladiator in which he specifically said he would die if he didnt act quickly and then another time against Bi-Beast in Incredible Hulk v2 #216 in which it was stated that Hulk would have died if he wasnt saved quickly. Superman's heat vision is probably atleast as powerful as Gladiator's and Im sure its many times more powerful then lasers in some lab that Bi-Beats used. Plus Trauma has KOed and almost Killed the Hulk with a laser attack.



Ever hear of a retcon? Authors change things about characters over time, back in the 70's and 80's comics were really rediculus with the things they did (PC Supes anyone?) and Hulk was not exceptiong to this. He was somehow able to breath and talk in space for whatever unexplained reason. However, in recent years Hulk has stated a number of times that he can not survive in space unaided (Gladiator fight being one). Maybe I missed something but has Hulk recently been able to breath in space in any comic?



1. Brain damage =/= lobodomy. If Supes wanted to he could turn Hulks brain to soup or cut it into hundreds of pieces, just a little bit more severe then brain damage dont you think? 2. Hulk was unconsious in that picture and he was healing slowly. If this is the case cant Superman just throw Hulk in the sun or something while hes unconsious healing from the lobodomy if he can heal that is?



Merged Hulk (later retconed, weakened, and re-named Professor Hulk) has the same Healing factor as Savage Hulk at base levels, its only when Savage Hulk gets really really pissed that his healing factor exceeds Merged Hulk. Assumeing Superman uses this option before that point you cant just write off the Gladiator heat vision thing.



Once Hulk gets to space the fight is over, Superman has won. Even if Hulk can breath in space (which I dont think he can, he has said he cant) Hulk cant fly and is at the total mercy of Superman. He just needs to flick Hulk in the general direction of the Sun and its over.

Agreed!smile-big

Superman wins.

unknowndanex
02-05-2006, 01:59 AM
yeah, i see you no longer have a basis of argument.

Hulk Wins.

Bullet
02-05-2006, 02:02 AM
yeah, i see you no longer have a basis of argument.

Hulk Wins.

Hulk only wins if Superman does nothing at all. I gave my arguement and even saw yours and others, I'm convinced that Superman whould win.

Superman wins!:)

unknowndanex
02-05-2006, 02:06 AM
well you're entitled to your opinion when it comes to saying Superman would win.

but saying Hulk only wins if superman does nothing is just plain stupid. and shows that you clearly don't know much about hulk, and based on many post you have made have proven that point further.

like i said before, expand your horizon above DC.

Bullet
02-05-2006, 02:15 AM
[QUOTE=unknowndanex]well you're entitled to your opinion when it comes to saying Superman would win.

Thankyou!


but saying Hulk only wins if superman does nothing is just plain stupid.

Know it's not.:confused: It's common sense, Superman is way faster than Hulk, can fly, has long range attacks, and is strong enough to KO Hulk.

and shows that you clearly don't know much about hulk, and based on many post you have made have proven that point further.

Or it shows that I know alot about Hulk and I still don't think he has what it takes to beat Superman.

like i said before, expand your horizon above DC.

Stop being a DC hater!smile-big

unknowndanex
02-05-2006, 02:32 AM
[QUOTE]

Thankyou!




Know it's not.:confused: It's common sense, Superman is way faster than Hulk, can fly, has long range attacks, and is strong enough to KO Hulk.



Or it shows that I know alot about Hulk and I still don't think he has what it takes to beat Superman.



Stop being a DC hater!smile-big


it could show you know a lot about Hulk if you made any statements like you did. but you didn't.

Hulk has faced people with a variety of powers plenty of times and has won.

Hulk is also more level-headed now meaning he isn't a fighting idiot anymore like everyone seems to think.

i read both comics, i don't read what i hate. i read DC before i read Marvel. but honestly i do prefer Marvel comics for storylines and the way they use they're characters. but i am enjoying Infinite Crisis.

and i do remember having to catch someone else up from Crisis on Infinite Earths to now in another thread.

Bullet
02-05-2006, 02:45 AM
it could show you know a lot about Hulk if you made any statements like you did. but you didn't.

I know alot about Hulk, just because I don't think Hulk whould beat Superman doesn't mean that I don't.:confused:

Hulk has faced people with a variety of powers plenty of times and has won.

Superman has faced bricks like Hulk and won.

Hulk is also more level-headed now meaning he isn't a fighting idiot anymore like everyone seems to think.

Superman is still smarter and still have several advantages.

read both comics, i don't read what i hate. i read DC before i read Marvel. but honestly i do prefer Marvel comics for storylines and the way they use they're characters. but i am enjoying Infinite Crisis.

I also read both, I'm enjoying Thor:Blood Oath right now along with other comics.

unknowndanex
02-05-2006, 04:17 AM
I know alot about Hulk, just because I don't think Hulk whould beat Superman doesn't mean that I don't.:confused:



Superman has faced bricks like Hulk and won.



Superman is still smarter and still have several advantages.



I also read both, I'm enjoying Thor:Blood Oath right now along with other comics.


i say you don't know much about hulk, like i said before, your posts about hulk which are normally things someone looks on the internet and finds shows mediocre knowledge of hulk. superman hasn't faced anyone like hulk and won. superman can be smart, but hulk has faced many that were smarter than him and won when he was just child-like creature. he is much more dangerous now because he can actually think now.

reading Blood Oath doesn't mean much especially considering you thought that was the present state of Thor. you didn't know Thor was in the sleep of the gods. i'm not saying you have zero marvel comic books, i'm saying yours is severely limited. ESPECIALLY THOR!!!!!!!!

Hulk wins, u forgot we are supposed to end on that note.

Bullet
02-05-2006, 04:32 AM
i say you don't know much about hulk, like i said before, your posts about hulk which are normally things someone looks on the internet and finds shows mediocre knowledge of hulk.

And again I say that I know alot about Hulk, he just won't beat Superman.

superman hasn't faced anyone like hulk and won.

Superman has faced countless bricks and won.


superman can be smart, but hulk has faced many that were smarter than him and won when he was just child-like creature. he is much more dangerous now because he can actually think now.

And Superman has fought against people who was just as smart and smarter than him and won.


reading Blood Oath doesn't mean much especially considering you thought that was the present state of Thor.

Miner mistake, no big deal.:confused:

you didn't know Thor was in the sleep of the gods. i'm not saying you have zero marvel comic books, i'm saying yours is severely limited. ESPECIALLY THOR!!!!!!!!

I have plenty of Thor books and enough to know alot about him.


Hulk wins, u forgot we are supposed to end on that note.

Hulk loses, the match is onesided.

unknowndanex
02-05-2006, 04:30 PM
And again I say that I know alot about Hulk, he just won't beat Superman.



Superman has faced countless bricks and won.




And Superman has fought against people who was just as smart and smarter than him and won.




Miner mistake, no big deal.:confused:



I have plenty of Thor books and enough to know alot about him.




Hulk loses, the match is onesided.


superman facing bricks have nothing to do with hulk since he's not a brick. superman has also faced bricks and lost as well.

sure sure, with the Thor

match isn't onesided, thats just a bogus claim.

hulk wouldn't win 100 percent of the time, but the first fight would definitely go to the Hulk. thats based on superman's history with people of that caliber.

Bullet
02-05-2006, 09:02 PM
superman facing bricks have nothing to do with hulk since he's not a brick. superman has also faced bricks and lost as well.

Superman has never lost to a brick going all out (he's normally holding back), especailly in the last few years. It does have something to do with Hulk, since he's a brick too.

sure sure, with the Thor

What about Thor?:confused

match isn't onesided, thats just a bogus claim.

It is onesided. Superman has several ways to take down Hulk, while Hulk only has one (which is brute force).

hulk wouldn't win 100 percent of the time, but the first fight would definitely go to the Hulk.

I don't think so. Superman has been written to fight in smart and use his abilities in the right plenty of times, he has just as much of a good chance of winning the first confrontation.

thats based on superman's history with people of that caliber.

Like who? He hasn't lost recently going all out.

unknowndanex
02-05-2006, 10:56 PM
recently he's been facing toned down opponents that beat him down

bricks he lost too
Soloman Grundy
Mongul
Doomsday

nothing about Thor, i was just saying sure sure about that.

a lot of people have ways of taking down the hulk, and they seem to still lose. it will happen with superman as well.

and if you think of anyone superman has ever lost to, it will normally be someone like doomsday and grundy.

Hulk faces people with variety of powers all the time, he faces people with speed all the time. Hulk can win this fight.

Bullet
02-06-2006, 01:21 AM
[QUOTE=unknowndanex]recently he's been facing toned down opponents that beat him down

bricks he lost too
Soloman Grundy
Mongul
Doomsday

None of them on that list beat Superman. Mongul has been beaten three times by Superman and hasn't won since, Soloman Grundy has never beaten Superman and was recently KOed by Supergirl, and DD and Superman hasn't fought yet recently.


nothing about Thor, i was just saying sure sure about that.

About what?

a lot of people have ways of taking down the hulk, and they seem to still lose. it will happen with superman as well.

Same thing with Superman, his enemies are always ploting against and using his weaknesses against him, but he'l still manage wins. Hulk he'll fail to do so too.


and if you think of anyone superman has ever lost to, it will normally be someone like doomsday and grundy.

It's normally someone like DD, Darksied or some who's using his weaknesses against him. But Supes hasn't lost in a while.

Hulk faces people with variety of powers all the time, he faces people with speed all the time. Hulk can win this fight.

Who has Hulk faced who actually used superspeed against him? Superman will win this fight.

unknowndanex
02-06-2006, 10:41 AM
[QUOTE]

None of them on that list beat Superman. Mongul has been beaten three times by Superman and hasn't won since, Soloman Grundy has never beaten Superman and was recently KOed by Supergirl, and DD and Superman hasn't fought yet recently.




About what?



Same thing with Superman, his enemies are always ploting against and using his weaknesses against him, but he'l still manage wins. Hulk he'll fail to do so too.




It's normally someone like DD, Darksied or some who's using his weaknesses against him. But Supes hasn't lost in a while.



Who has Hulk faced who actually used superspeed against him? Superman will win this fight.

Hulk has never had a problem tagging Speedsters like Super Sabre, Quicksilver, The Silver Surfer, The Jack of Hearts, and so on. We even showed you a pic of him popping Quicksilver like it was nothing (WE ALL KNOW THAT HE IS NOT FAST AS SUPERMAN) but that was sound speed right there, and according to you he conceivably can't even hit that. Super Sabre was nothing but a speedster, he had no choice but to use speed and lost. The man could snap his fingers and create a sonic boom.

Superman had to fly Solomon Grundy to another planet because he couldn't beat him and stated himself that Grundy was much more powerful than him. Are you only around for the good of superman and go on vacation when he loses?

The only reason Supes hasn't lost in awhile is because like i said they toned down characters to the fullest. Darkseid kicked Supes tail on too many ocassions before he was toned down. Don't worry after Infinite Crisis, Superman will have better fights especially if they don't want his comic sales to keep declining (on the side subject).

Speed alone can't beat the Hulk (i know he has more than speed) but most of his varieties will not work on the Hulk. It will come down to a fight, which much to your disbelief Superman participate in.

But Hulk would win the fight

Bullet
02-07-2006, 04:49 PM
Hulk has never had a problem tagging Speedsters like Super Sabre, Quicksilver, The Silver Surfer, The Jack of Hearts, and so on. We even showed you a pic of him popping Quicksilver like it was nothing (WE ALL KNOW THAT HE IS NOT FAST AS SUPERMAN) but that was sound speed right there, and according to you he conceivably can't even hit that. Super Sabre was nothing but a speedster, he had no choice but to use speed and lost. The man could snap his fingers and create a sonic boom.

None of them fight fast like Supes, if so prove it? Again Sonic Booms doesn't work on Superman.

Superman had to fly Solomon Grundy to another planet because he couldn't beat him and stated himself that Grundy was much more powerful than him. Are you only around for the good of superman and go on vacation when he loses?

When was this? What issue? Was this recently? Was Superman holding back? Because Grundy was KOed recently with one punch from Supergirl.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4402/02072006034238pm7mg.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02072006034238pm7mg.jpg)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7193/02072006034346pm4ut.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02072006034346pm4ut.jpg)

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The only reason Supes hasn't lost in awhile is because like i said they toned down characters to the fullest.

The only character that was decreased in power was Darksied, not every foe Superman comes across. Unless you think every villian Superman beats was decreased in power.:confused

Darkseid kicked Supes tail on too many ocassions before he was toned down.

Name them? anyways Supes is kicking his butt now!

Speed alone can't beat the Hulk (i know he has more than speed) but most of his varieties will not work on the Hulk.

1. Superman is way faster than Hulk like I said, Hulk will never touch Supes once he starts using his speed, combine that with planet destroying punches, Hulk won't even win in just a physical battle.

2. Heat Vision whould kill Hulk, if Superman is bloodlusted.He could fry Hulks brain, Burn him to death (like Glads was doing when he was fighting Hulk, Hulk even stated himself that it was killing him) by engulfing Hulk in Heat Vision, or blind Hulk by burning his eyes then speedbiltzing.

3. Superman can suck all of the air out of the Hulk with his speed, since Hulk can't fly and isn't fast enough to catch Supes, he's at a disadvantge.

4. Freeze Hulk and then use any of the methods above.

Take him into the air, speedbiltzing Hulk from all types of angles with lots of punches, Heat Vision, and Icebreath/beam.

It will come down to a fight, which much to your disbelief Superman participate in.

With Superman coming out on top.

unknowndanex
02-07-2006, 05:18 PM
None of them fight fast like Supes, if so prove it? Again Sonic Booms doesn't work on Superman.



When was this? What issue? Was this recently? Was Superman holding back? Because Grundy was KOed recently with one punch from Supergirl.

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4402/02072006034238pm7mg.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02072006034238pm7mg.jpg)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7193/02072006034346pm4ut.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02072006034346pm4ut.jpg)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/5062/02072006034441pm3zv.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02072006034441pm3zv.jpg)




The only character that was decreased in power was Darksied, not every foe Superman comes across. Unless you think every villian Superman beats was decreased in power.:confused



Name them? anyways Supes is kicking his butt now!



1. Superman is way faster than Hulk like I said, Hulk will never touch Supes once he starts using his speed, combine that with planet destroying punches, Hulk won't even win in just a physical battle.

2. Heat Vision whould kill Hulk, if Superman is bloodlusted.He could fry Hulks brain, Burn him to death (like Glads was doing when he was Hulk stated him self that it was kill him) by engulfing Hulk in Heat Vision, or blind Hulk by burning his eyes then speedbiltzing.

3. Superman can suck all of the air out of the Hulk with his speed, since Hulk can't fly and isn't fast enough to catch Supes, he's at a disadvantge.

4. Freeze Hulk and then use any of the methods above.

Take him into the air, speedbiltzing Hulk from all types of angles with lots of punches, Heat Vision, and Icebreath/beam.



With Superman coming out on top.


i wasn't saying he ran at sound, thats an understatement, i said he can snap his fingers and make a sonic boom. do u even know who silver sabre is? and please don't lie again.

dude, everyone knows Grundy has been downgraded, even batman has beaten him recently. u must be one of those brand new fans.

oh and lets see, Supes getting fucked by Darkseid before being toned down.


allows Superman to live
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p43f271405bb78d83ae047fd1cf65a746/fbdd46ca.jpg

pimps Superman with 3 punches
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid66/p7c18e8b452cb9333381c18e72b82bc42/fbdd81d1.jpg


beat Superman and others with just a hologram
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/pe0fb5c86846dadf5ae802dc927a747fa/f9707780.jpg

what the un-toned down OE does
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p7954b6f052025cf483b7f5380a52af23/f9e3bbff.jpg

This is from Cosmic Odyssey, i guess you don't have this where Darkseid treats Superman like nothing
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http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p1e86ecc427e3212ce550d59f97634ede/fa690920.jpg

Superman never really got a good victory over Darkseid til Apokolips Now when he beat his eyes shut. But of course by that time Darkseid and the OE were toned down and i'm not the only one who has stated Darkseid is toned down.

Grundy has different carnations and the one that is out is very weak. But his strongest carnation was better than Superman.

don't worry Mongul and Doomsday weren't toned down.

1. Superman is way faster than Hulk like I said, Hulk will never touch Supes once he starts using his speed, combine that with planet destroying punches, Hulk won't even win in just a physical battle.

2. Heat Vision whould kill Hulk, if Superman is bloodlusted.He could fry Hulks brain, Burn him to death (like Glads was doing when he was Hulk stated him self that it was kill him) by engulfing Hulk in Heat Vision, or blind Hulk by burning his eyes then speedbiltzing.

3. Superman can suck all of the air out of the Hulk with his speed, since Hulk can't fly and isn't fast enough to catch Supes, he's at a disadvantge.

4. Freeze Hulk and then use any of the methods above.

Take him into the air, speedbiltzing Hulk from all types of angles with lots of punches, Heat Vision, and Icebreath/beam.

1. Hulk doesn't have problems with speedsters really, but your bias will not bring you to believe this. and make excuses. what does Quicksilver fight with other than speed? what does sabre fight with other than speed? And Hulk smacked speed demon around who goes at sound on one leg.

2. i'm not gonna explain Prof. Hulk again cause you're not gonna listen. i'll just take into consideration that anything other than DC is your weak point. we have time and time again talked about heat vision, and now its gotten to the point where only you would bring it up.

3. been there and done that and didn't work.

4. Bruce Banner was frozen and he still turned into the Hulk and got out of it, he ain't freezing the Hulk. Just about everything you state is a been there done that and didn't work on the Hulk.

Superman is gonna fight the Hulk and lose. Superman can't beat a non-toned down Hulk in a fight. You're talking on pure fanboyism, Superman's history speaks for itself. against big name villains on his first fight, superman loses in a fist fight. well too many times against Darkseid, ass kicked by Grundy, double KO with Doomsday, and ass kicked by Mongul.

Hulk wins this fight.

Bullet
02-07-2006, 05:32 PM
i wasn't saying he ran at sound, thats an understatement, i said he can snap his fingers and make a sonic boom. do u even know who silver sabre is? and please don't lie again.

What do lie about? :confused It doesn't matter, sonicbooms is non-effective against Supes.

dude, everyone knows Grundy has been downgraded, even batman has beaten him recently. u must be one of those brand new fans.

So now Grundy is being degraded because he was beaten?:confused

oh and lets see, Supes getting fucked by Darkseid before being toned down.

None of those pics actually show Darksied beating Superman. :confused

Superman never really got a good victory over Darkseid til Apokolips Now when he beat his eyes shut. But of course by that time Darkseid and the OE were toned down and i'm not the only one who has stated Darkseid is toned down.

Look above.


1. Hulk doesn't have problems with speedsters really, but your bias will not bring you to believe this. and make excuses. what does Quicksilver fight with other than speed? what does sabre fight with other than speed? And Hulk smacked speed demon around who goes at sound on one leg.

Hulk does have probelms with speed (alot) and you can't prove that he doesn't.

1. Superman is way faster than Hulk like I said, Hulk will never touch Supes once he starts using his speed, combine that with planet destroying punches, Hulk won't even win in just a physical battle.

2. i'm not gonna explain Prof. Hulk again cause you're not gonna listen. i'll just take into consideration that anything other than DC is your weak point. we have time and time again talked about heat vision, and now its gotten to the point where only you would bring it up.

You can't explain it that's why. Atleast show the whole thing what really happen or another scan of somthing like that. If you can't!

2. Heat Vision whould kill Hulk, if Superman is bloodlusted.He could fry Hulks brain, Burn him to death (like Glads was doing when he was Hulk stated him self that it was kill him) by engulfing Hulk in Heat Vision, or blind Hulk by burning his eyes then speedbiltzing.

3. been there and done that and didn't work.

You never prove this either.

3. Superman can suck all of the air out of the Hulk with his speed, since Hulk can't fly and isn't fast enough to catch Supes, he's at a disadvantge.

4. Bruce Banner was frozen and he still turned into the Hulk and got out of it, he ain't freezing the Hulk. Just about everything you state is a been there done that and didn't work on the Hulk.

First prove this, I don't remeber Hulk being immune to being frozen.

4. Freeze Hulk and then use any of the methods above.

Superman is gonna fight the Hulk and lose. Superman can't beat a non-toned down Hulk in a fight. You're talking on pure fanboyism, Superman's history speaks for itself. against big name villains on his first fight, superman loses in a fist fight. well too many times against Darkseid, ass kicked by Grundy, double KO with Doomsday, and ass kicked by Mongul.

Nothing but lame insults, extreme hate for supes and bitterness right in this little paragraph.

Again Supes can take him into the air, speedbiltzing Hulk from all types of angles with lots of punches, Heat Vision, and Icebreath/beam.

Hulk wins this fight.

Supes wins, with reasons stated above!

Scorpio3.14
02-07-2006, 06:34 PM
First off, I believe the "Superman flying Grundy off world because he was to strong" thing happened Pre-Crisis. PC Grundy in his prime was a freaking unstoppable monster, think the mindless hulk mixed with Juggernaut with strength greater then PC superman lol


1. Hulk doesn't have problems with speedsters really, but your bias will not bring you to believe this. and make excuses. what does Quicksilver fight with other than speed? what does sabre fight with other than speed? And Hulk smacked speed demon around who goes at sound on one leg.

The thing is, Superman is waaaaaay faster then any of those guys. Speed demon is on Quicksilver's level and Super Sabre can only max about mach 1-2.

Your idea that if Hulk can deal with these marvel speedsters then he should be able to deal with Superman is a fallacy. Quicksilver's and Speed Demon's top speeds are around mach ten being generous. The speed of light is ~9,000 times greater then mach 10. Your argument is like saying "Well Barry Bonds can easily hit a baseball going 100 miles per hour so he should be able to hit a ball going 900,000 miles per hour." Sorry, it just dont work.

unknowndanex
02-07-2006, 07:22 PM
For Bullet, is useless cause i posted picks of storm tryin to suck the air out of hulk, you obviously don't pay attention to anything cause your being bias won't let you. I showed too many types of radiation being used on Hulk by Monica (used to be Captain Marvel) and none of them working. the guy took Thor's lightning while he was in full warrior madness mode. you keep talkin bout freezing, Grey Hulk was turned into stone and broken, and still came back. you know nothing when it comes to hulk so just stop. people have tried to take hulk in the air and it didn't work. Go find about Prof. Hulk yourself because i'm really tired of your Marvel ignorance.

Thank you Scorpio for stating along with me that Grundy was significantly depowered something Bullet refuses to accept. I know that the guys are way faster than Hulk, but I was using those as examples that Hulk can deal with speed. You were a little too generous to Quicksilver, but yeah i'll put Speed Demon at Mach 10.

My argument is not that since he can handle them, he can handle superman. my point is, hulk can and has adapted to speed on too many ocassions. and superman would be no different. Hulk also senses presences as well, so superman using all that speed will not be the end all be all of the fight, because hulk does have fast reflexes. Shit, Jack of Hearts tried to speedblitz him and just bounced off hulk. Quasar also used his speed against the Hulk and got smacked.

Superman's speed will not win this fight, Warrior Madness Thor's lightning is way more dangerous than Gladiator's heat vision, so please no more with the Gladiator vs Prof Hulk crap as a frame of reference.

Hulk would win the fight.

Bullet
02-08-2006, 05:19 PM
For Bullet, is useless cause i posted picks of storm tryin to suck the air out of hulk, you obviously don't pay attention to anything cause your being bias won't let you.

Which proves nothing.:confused It only proved that sucking the air out of Hulk will work, and Strom might have succeeded if she hadn't got hit form a rock. Superman isn't going even move from somthing like that. Hulk also can't breath in water, which gave Namor plenty of advantages when they fought, Superman could take Hulk into the water, and use the same tactics as Namor, only better since he's faster.

I showed too many types of radiation being used on Hulk by Monica (used to be Captain Marvel) and none of them working.

Now the one from Gladiator (who was killing him).

the guy took Thor's lightning while he was in full warrior madness mode.

50,000 bolts don't come close to Superman's or Glads Heat Vision.

you keep talkin bout freezing, Grey Hulk was turned into stone and broken, and still came back.

But it did hold for a while, Hulk was never shown not to be to frozen, it'll work on him.


you know nothing when it comes to hulk so just stop.

Or that I do know somthing about Hulk, but you can't except it.

people have tried to take hulk in the air and it didn't work.

Glads took Hulk in the air by his waste, Superman is going to do that and will be in space in no time.

Go find about Prof. Hulk yourself because i'm really tired of your Marvel ignorance.

Or you could post the rest of what happened.

Thank you Scorpio for stating along with me that Grundy was significantly depowered something Bullet refuses to accept.

He said PCs though, this is Post crisis Supes.

I know that the guys are way faster than Hulk, but I was using those as examples that Hulk can deal with speed.

But you havn't even proven that Hulk can match Supes in speed, heck Hulk can't even catch Spiderman.

My argument is not that since he can handle them, he can handle superman. my point is, hulk can and has adapted to speed on too many ocassions. and superman would be no different.

Like who? Who has Hulk ever kepted up with on Superman's level of speed when being speedbiltz?

Hulk also senses presences as well, so superman using all that speed will not be the end all be all of the fight, because hulk does have fast reflexes.

Funny how that never seems to work in battle against Spiderman:confused

Shit, Jack of Hearts tried to speedblitz him and just bounced off hulk. Quasar also used his speed against the Hulk and got smacked.

None of them fight fast or have the reaction speeds on Superman's level. Show me scans of this?

Superman's speed will not win this fight,

It will, but Supes has other way's to win this fight too.

Warrior Madness Thor's lightning is way more dangerous than Gladiator's heat vision,

I think Glads Heat Vision is greater than Warrior Madness Thor's lighting.

so please no more with the Gladiator vs Prof Hulk crap as a frame of reference.

You brung it up first, but failed to explain both.

Viciousness
02-08-2006, 07:15 PM
But you havn't even proven that Hulk can match Supes in speed, heck Hulk can't even catch Spiderman.

Funny how that never seems to work in battle against Spiderman:confused



Im short on time but since it seems like your memory is very faulty or youre just in denial again:
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/8161/spiderspeed6uy.jpg

unknowndanex
02-08-2006, 08:17 PM
you put up a pick yourself of spiderman getting caught. like i said in the Goku/Superman thread, you don't pay attention to your own stuff. you really prove yourself wrong all the time.

you know nothing on hulk and its apparent with everyone.

i'm not gonna continue much longer, cause all you do is forget everything else in the thread and repeat points already dismissed. until u come with something new, i'll just respond if scorpio responds. he's the only one with some since in this thread at this point. and the sudden appearance of DrunkenYoshimaster.

your DC bias keeps you like this

lucky
02-09-2006, 03:28 AM
ok about the speed thing, flying at light speed to a planet is different from vibrating your molecules. number 2 yall are saying vibrating as if he will vibrate the whole fight, which would tire him out. if he does it for a second, then whats the point?


Vibrating is just movement in multiple directions at a high speed. Flying at lightspeed somewhere is moving at one directing at a high speed. You're effectively saying that since he's going at more than one direction at a time, he'll tire himself out.


I'm not saying he'll vibrate the entrei time either. i'm saying he'll vibrate just when the hulk attacks him. You still haven't brought ANYTHING substantial to the table to show how the hulk can counter superman phasing through every one of his punches. The only thing you say is that superman's gonna get tired, and even that argument isn't logically sound.



now for the powers and abilities, based on what u put all u know is superman. marveldirectory has about the oldest profile of Hulk there is. here is a better list of Hulk's powers:

Invulnerability increasing with rage
Strength in EXCESS[B] of 100 tons that increases [B]EXPONENTIALLY with rage.
Regeneration that increases with rage
Held 150 BILLION TONS and wasn't that angry.

Increases in those areas also when he's angry, in potentially harmful (while struggling to lift something), and life-threatning situations. Invunerable enough to take temperatures in EXCESS of 3000 degress F and survive vacuums of space unharmed.

Hulk has also changed since the last time your marvel directory profile made an update, which has been too many years ago. When Banner and the Unleashed Hulk were remerged, Banner's influence moderated the Hulk somewhat, making him a more level-headed version of the normal Hulk.

And of course you are obviously going online looking for all the Hulk info you can get, because Hulk has survived too many nuclear missles and nuclear level explosions.
http://img154.exs.cx/img154/3918/cobaltman10pz.jpg
http://img143.exs.cx/img143/3475/cobaltman22jn.jpg

look what is said, the explosion just made him stronger fueling his anger more
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3118/nuke54wz.jpg
http://img11.echo.cx/img11/489/durabilitynuke4a8sf.jpg


Ok i said before i KNOW that when he gets angry, he gets exponentially stronger (150 billion > 75 tons or whichever), and he regenerates at a crazy rate. Again, this is a straight up fight no mercy no holding back right? What makes you so sure that in the nanosecond of the fight, where superman (if he's not holding back) will fly at the hulk full power at near light speed, the hulk will SUDDENLY become SOOOO angry that he physically reaches and exceeds superman's base level?


In a no holds-barred fight, a fraction of a nanosecond after the fact that he's going to fight superman registers in his mind, superman's going for him. I actually would really like to know of any time where the hulk becomes so angry so fast before he even has time to form a SINGLE THOUGHT.



then you go off of wizards Top 10 which was totally dismissed back in other threads. it is obvious u know nothing of the hulk short of what you find on an internet site, you should really go read a comic book about hulk.


.... cuz we all know that the general public (us) know more about comics than Wizards. lol that sounds pretty bs. I'd like to read the threads where wizards top ten gets dismissed. It's more official and canon than our ranting will ever be. Quote me on that.


But if you wanna play the forums.narutofan threads > wizards game, then just look at the poll. 75% of us thinks the kryptonian will take it. Should i take a page in your book and casually dismiss your opinion as a irrelevant minority? Cuz I don't.




then you say superman can't be beaten with anything but his fist, yet
Doomsday killed him
Before toning Darkseid down he kicked his ass
Mongul kicked his ass
Solomon Grundy had him beat and even superman said it himself which is why he flew Grundy to another planet.

then you go off of what Wizard says and if you look at their reason, all they used was the cross-over which we don't use as well. its called FAN VOTES.


I never said that superman can't be beaten physically. I said that the hulk's ONLY option of beating superman is by his fists. I've already stated a counter for hulk's fists. (vibrating) which you countered that superman will get tired (which there's absolutely no proof of).

And like i said earlier, superman was so fucking weak when he fought mongul initially. That's like me saying that ironman owned hulk when hulk was missing arms. What's the point of bringing that up?


The marvel vs. DC was one of their reasons. superman beat thor in the JLA/avengers crossover but i still believe that thor would beat superman in a straight up fight.


Hulk has fought many people who have variety and he has won, so thats not a legitimate reason to say superman would win.


No, i said that because of variety, he has more OPTIONS of beating hulk than hulk has on beating him.


now of course Hulk lost to Juggernaut whose strength is immeasurable but heres the difference between this and the other fights you have Hulk losing.

Thor has gotten his ass kicked by Juggernaut too many times to count with and without the hammer.
The only reason Abomination beat Hulk was because Marvel figures they have to have a plot. But Hulk has beaten the cow shit out of Abomination too many times to count as well.

But when you look at Juggernaut, Hulk has never really beaten Juggs. Why? cause Juggs is invulnerable to all physical injury, Superman wouldn't beat Juggs either really. So theres no point of bringing that up.


No. You should read what i say more carefully. The reason why i brought up those fights is to prove that it's POSSIBLE for the hulk to be beaten physically. But you already cleared this point after by admitting that there's a chance that superman could KO the hulk so this point is now moot.

lucky
02-09-2006, 03:30 AM
PART 2 (first message too long)




Possible plausible methods of beating the hulk:

already showed that Hulk could heal from brain damage in pics while back. no point of bringin up what heat vision does to Professor Hulk (toned down Hulk). flying him to space would be a bad idea, considering he dealt a good amount of damage while in space and was talking. can't drown the guy in the ocean who can breathe underwater. vacuum won't really work considering the guy is talking in space. and storm already tried sucking up his air.


Healing from brain damage by a destroyed frontal lobe is one thing. Reverting back to banner (which WILL happen) once superman removes the part that gets him angry is something else altogether. And yes, i'm aware that savage hulk heals much faster than prof hulk.

I read hulk issues... but i don't read all of them.

Even if hulk can survive in space, he's still at a major disadvantage on superman. He'll be a large almost inert object floating at superman's mercy. BTW, he can't talk in space. He's mouthing everything but no sound's coming out.


or just do what Doomsday, Darkseid, Mongul, and Solomon Grundy did.........just kick his ass. kill him or knock him out.


you say that older versions of the hulk shouldn't be accounted (like hte one that got KO'd so why are you bringing in older and weaker versions of superman in this? Darkseid is unfortunately a jobber now since he was so fucking cool but can any of those guys kick his ass anymore? seriously. Current supes is a world away from the weaker one you keep bringing up.

This is to every other time you bring them up.

Oh and darkseid (pre-jobber) is like a demi-cosmic or a cosmic god. Don't compare him to hulk. He'll walk all over the hulk.


theres no proof he can there is none that he can't, but hulk's strength is greater than superman's so he would conceivably be able to do it. but i don't think hulk will go from jumping to flying (like superman did).


No. Hulk's strength' potential exponential growth is greater than superman's. Like the hulk, there's been no show of any limits to superman's strength yet.



Why is it not going to work? We dont know how regular Hulk would have fared in that situation, he definatly would have delt with it better/faster but HOW MUCH we dont know. Secondly, I repeat, brain damage =/= Lobodomy, entirely different scale when you consider what Superman can do to a brain.

why will it work? hulk is not gonna stand there and let it happen, so that option as far as i'm concerned is something i won't really worry bout.


It only takes a second. Hulk might not stand there and let it happen but it doesn't mean that it can't happen.



Again, at the time when Hulk fought Gladiator he was in a form called Merged Hulk. He had the strength and healing factor of Savage Hulk and the intelliegence of Bruce Banner. This was later retconed but that dosnt change the fact that a version of the Hulk with the healing factor of Savage Hulk said that Gladiator's heat vision would have killed him.[/B]

lol, now u sound like a definition from an internet site. but seriously merged hulk's healing factor isn't on Savage's level. he has a much lesser degree of anger that savage had, he couldn't tap into rage enhancements like savage hulk could either. meaning he couldn't boost his regeneration and durability like savage hulk or normal hulk could. thats fact. there's no point of questioning me on hulk facts, cause i'm solid on them.


What you're saying is fact, yes. But all you're saying is that savage hulk's regen/durability/strength growth level is higher and consequently more resistant to heat vision. Being more resistant doesn't mean that heat vision won't be lethal anymore.




The sun thing is only one valid way for Superman to defeat Hulk. Superman uses his brain, hes not like Hulk and just trys to smash every opponent he comes up against. You call it bitching out, I call it fighting smart.

yeah this is what i'll compare that to in bitching level.......

i'm whuppin someones ass, and then once he figures out he got his ass kicked he gets a gun and shoots me. thats basically what superman is doing if thats what he has to resort to because he gettin his ass kicked.

and the person who shot me will say he was bein smart.

and as i can see, its obvious you've given up on superman even fighting the hulk, talkin bout the sun and lobotomy.

.... How the hell is htat different from silver surfer beating superman by sucking out all his solar energy? Magneto potentially beating superman by controlling his bio-electric aura? This is supposed to be a no holds-barred straight for the win fight. Where the hell did this subjective code of honor between no holds-barred fighters come from? If Dr. Strange beats hulk by turning him into a frog or Silver surfer putting hulk into an adamantium box are those considered cop-outs?


Plus, lobotomy by superman = superman using his OWN power to DIRECTLY attack the hulk's PHYSICAL BODY (his brain.) cop out how?



considering Hulk would continously hit and can do that for days and weeks, that wouldn't really prove to much in the fight and superman would tire. if he is vibrating everytime hulk throws a punch and hulk keeps throwin punches then yes he is vibrating the whole fight.


yeah superman can also fight for days and weeks. You need to realize that superspeedsters can operate in 'superspeed' time. superman will be considered vibrating the whole fight once hulk learns to throw a thousand punches a second.


you bring that up, then bring up retcon. so i guess the good things about hulk should be erased and things like lasers defeating him even though he stands up to nuclear attacks should be taken more seriously. like i've stated on several ocassions, in Marvel i wouldn't be surprised if Captain America beat Hulk so seeing lower level people beat him after he's beaten the likes of Thor, IronMan, Abomination, Gladiator, Hyperion, etc etc etc., i don't worry too much about the plothole losses he takes.


kettle, pot, black, etc.


1. Brain damage =/= lobodomy. If Supes wanted to he could turn Hulks brain to soup or cut it into hundreds of pieces, just a little bit more severe then brain damage dont you think? 2. Hulk was unconsious in that picture and he was healing slowly. If this is the case cant Superman just throw Hulk in the sun or something while hes unconsious healing from the lobodomy if he can heal that is?

honestly, its not gonna work, you're referring to hulk in flux which is why his regeneration was slow.


Savage hulk's regeneration might be faster, but again there's no indication that his regeneration will reach a level where supes' heat vision won't be lethal anymore. The way you write you give the impression that savage hulk will just shrug off heat vision where merged hulk nearly died from it.


Once Hulk gets to space the fight is over, Superman has won. Even if Hulk can breath in space (which I dont think he can, he has said he cant) Hulk cant fly and is at the total mercy of Superman. He just needs to flick Hulk in the general direction of the Sun and its over.

responded basically to that already, but then thats not really a fight. thats a cop out like he copped out on Solomon. so i guess its in superman's character to bitch out a fight when he's gettin his ass kicked.

Well, the guy 'bitching' (still subjective) out would bring home the trophy, wouldn't he?

unknowndanex
02-09-2006, 03:13 PM
Vibrating is just movement in multiple directions at a high speed. Flying at lightspeed somewhere is moving at one directing at a high speed. You're effectively saying that since he's going at more than one direction at a time, he'll tire himself out.


I'm not saying he'll vibrate the entrei time either. i'm saying he'll vibrate just when the hulk attacks him. You still haven't brought ANYTHING substantial to the table to show how the hulk can counter superman phasing through every one of his punches. The only thing you say is that superman's gonna get tired, and even that argument isn't logically sound.




Ok i said before i KNOW that when he gets angry, he gets exponentially stronger (150 billion > 75 tons or whichever), and he regenerates at a crazy rate. Again, this is a straight up fight no mercy no holding back right? What makes you so sure that in the nanosecond of the fight, where superman (if he's not holding back) will fly at the hulk full power at near light speed, the hulk will SUDDENLY become SOOOO angry that he physically reaches and exceeds superman's base level?


In a no holds-barred fight, a fraction of a nanosecond after the fact that he's going to fight superman registers in his mind, superman's going for him. I actually would really like to know of any time where the hulk becomes so angry so fast before he even has time to form a SINGLE THOUGHT.




.... cuz we all know that the general public (us) know more about comics than Wizards. lol that sounds pretty bs. I'd like to read the threads where wizards top ten gets dismissed. It's more official and canon than our ranting will ever be. Quote me on that.


But if you wanna play the forums.narutofan threads > wizards game, then just look at the poll. 75% of us thinks the kryptonian will take it. Should i take a page in your book and casually dismiss your opinion as a irrelevant minority? Cuz I don't.





I never said that superman can't be beaten physically. I said that the hulk's ONLY option of beating superman is by his fists. I've already stated a counter for hulk's fists. (vibrating) which you countered that superman will get tired (which there's absolutely no proof of).

And like i said earlier, superman was so fucking weak when he fought mongul initially. That's like me saying that ironman owned hulk when hulk was missing arms. What's the point of bringing that up?


The marvel vs. DC was one of their reasons. superman beat thor in the JLA/avengers crossover but i still believe that thor would beat superman in a straight up fight.



No, i said that because of variety, he has more OPTIONS of beating hulk than hulk has on beating him.




No. You should read what i say more carefully. The reason why i brought up those fights is to prove that it's POSSIBLE for the hulk to be beaten physically. But you already cleared this point after by admitting that there's a chance that superman could KO the hulk so this point is now moot.

Vibrating is just movement in multiple directions at a high speed. Flying at lightspeed somewhere is moving at one directing at a high speed. You're effectively saying that since he's going at more than one direction at a time, he'll tire himself out.

ok, i brought that up in the Goku/Supes thread, and you along with others said that wasn't vibrating when i said Goku was doing it. so i guess it depends on argument for you guys. oh yeah, and if supes wants to vibrate all day, all hulk really has to do is keeping punching so he can get stronger, more durable, and regeneration skyrocket. and then do a thunderclap to kill that noise, cause that would affect him. It took out Hyperion and it'll at least hurt supes.

and hulk would actually figure out that superman isn't there sooner or later

http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6928/mystical085fz.jpg


I'm not saying he'll vibrate the entrei time either. i'm saying he'll vibrate just when the hulk attacks him. You still haven't brought ANYTHING substantial to the table to show how the hulk can counter superman phasing through every one of his punches. The only thing you say is that superman's gonna get tired, and even that argument isn't logically sound.


thunderclap would do the trick, enough with that same ol argument

Ok i said before i KNOW that when he gets angry, he gets exponentially stronger (150 billion > 75 tons or whichever), and he regenerates at a crazy rate. Again, this is a straight up fight no mercy no holding back right? What makes you so sure that in the nanosecond of the fight, where superman (if he's not holding back) will fly at the hulk full power at near light speed, the hulk will SUDDENLY become SOOOO angry that he physically reaches and exceeds superman's base level?

um, superman has a lot of options when he is not holding back which includes fighting which is something you guys seem to not want him to do. the superman vs hulk fight wasn't canon, so supes doesn't know that his only option as is according to yall is to just fly at him near light speed and take him to space. Jack O' Hearts flew at him near light speed and bounced off so whats your point. and do you even know hulk's base strength, it is in EXCESS of 100 tons.

In a no holds-barred fight, a fraction of a nanosecond after the fact that he's going to fight superman registers in his mind, superman's going for him. I actually would really like to know of any time where the hulk becomes so angry so fast before he even has time to form a SINGLE THOUGHT.

its funny that the only thing superman fans can ever bring up, is superman using superspeed, something hulk is apparantly used to to say he'll win. u know what, hulk can sense his presence and his reflexes are top notch, hulk will smack the shit out of superman coming at him, how bout that. or probably catch him.

.... cuz we all know that the general public (us) know more about comics than Wizards. lol that sounds pretty bs. I'd like to read the threads where wizards top ten gets dismissed. It's more official and canon than our ranting will ever be. Quote me on that.


But if you wanna play the forums.narutofan threads > wizards game, then just look at the poll. 75% of us thinks the kryptonian will take it. Should i take a page in your book and casually dismiss your opinion as a irrelevant minority? Cuz I don't.

actually i don't discredit wizard, back in another thread i used wizard's top 10 and then everyone in the thread discredited it. and i explained it to them the same way you're trying to explain to me. bullet was in that thread to, but i can't remember which one. could've been Flash/Goku, cause i think i was saying "if he's so great he should be number one in wizard instead of SS, or 2 instead of Thor, or 3 instead of Supes, etc". so no i'm not against wizard at all, i'm actually refraining myself from bringing it up in the Thor/WW thread. but i shouldn't need it, that thread is bout over now.

And like i said earlier, superman was so fucking weak when he fought mongul initially. That's like me saying that ironman owned hulk when hulk was missing arms. What's the point of bringing that up?


The marvel vs. DC was one of their reasons. superman beat thor in the JLA/avengers crossover but i still believe that thor would beat superman in a straight up fight.



No, i said that because of variety, he has more OPTIONS of beating hulk than hulk has on beating him.

and tell me how bout Doomsday, Grundy, and Lobo (first time they fought). was he so fucking weak then? i don't think too much about the JLA/Avengers crossover in which Thor used none of his skills at all, and i dont' think to much for the Marvel/DC crossover period because Wolverine beat Lobo alond with other stupid mishaps.

a lot of people have more options of beating hulk than hulk has and they still lose.

No. You should read what i say more carefully. The reason why i brought up those fights is to prove that it's POSSIBLE for the hulk to be beaten physically. But you already cleared this point after by admitting that there's a chance that superman could KO the hulk so this point is now moot

sure, i'm not gonna say superman is a weakling, but i think hulk stands a better chance of KOing Superman in a fight. and i must be right since the only thing anyone can say about the fight is take him in the air into space and throw him in the sun.

Nybarius
02-09-2006, 03:22 PM
radish it's not poor writing that the cosmic cube and the IG are in the room, it's just an easter-egg. I mean, why would the rebels have all that stuff in the first place? What the hell could possibly have killed Silver Surfer, on earth?

If I were going for a no-prize, though, I'd say that a) the IG is worthless because of the Living Tribunal's decree and b) nobody knows how to use the cosmic cube, or else they know enough about them to know they turn sentient and so stay away from them (like the Skrull).

unknowndanex
02-09-2006, 03:33 PM
PART 2 (first message too long)





Healing from brain damage by a destroyed frontal lobe is one thing. Reverting back to banner (which WILL happen) once superman removes the part that gets him angry is something else altogether. And yes, i'm aware that savage hulk heals much faster than prof hulk.

I read hulk issues... but i don't read all of them.

Even if hulk can survive in space, he's still at a major disadvantage on superman. He'll be a large almost inert object floating at superman's mercy. BTW, he can't talk in space. He's mouthing everything but no sound's coming out.



you say that older versions of the hulk shouldn't be accounted (like hte one that got KO'd so why are you bringing in older and weaker versions of superman in this? Darkseid is unfortunately a jobber now since he was so fucking cool but can any of those guys kick his ass anymore? seriously. Current supes is a world away from the weaker one you keep bringing up.

This is to every other time you bring them up.

Oh and darkseid (pre-jobber) is like a demi-cosmic or a cosmic god. Don't compare him to hulk. He'll walk all over the hulk.



No. Hulk's strength' potential exponential growth is greater than superman's. Like the hulk, there's been no show of any limits to superman's strength yet.




It only takes a second. Hulk might not stand there and let it happen but it doesn't mean that it can't happen.




What you're saying is fact, yes. But all you're saying is that savage hulk's regen/durability/strength growth level is higher and consequently more resistant to heat vision. Being more resistant doesn't mean that heat vision won't be lethal anymore.




.... How the hell is htat different from silver surfer beating superman by sucking out all his solar energy? Magneto potentially beating superman by controlling his bio-electric aura? This is supposed to be a no holds-barred straight for the win fight. Where the hell did this subjective code of honor between no holds-barred fighters come from? If Dr. Strange beats hulk by turning him into a frog or Silver surfer putting hulk into an adamantium box are those considered cop-outs?


Plus, lobotomy by superman = superman using his OWN power to DIRECTLY attack the hulk's PHYSICAL BODY (his brain.) cop out how?




yeah superman can also fight for days and weeks. You need to realize that superspeedsters can operate in 'superspeed' time. superman will be considered vibrating the whole fight once hulk learns to throw a thousand punches a second.




kettle, pot, black, etc.




Savage hulk's regeneration might be faster, but again there's no indication that his regeneration will reach a level where supes' heat vision won't be lethal anymore. The way you write you give the impression that savage hulk will just shrug off heat vision where merged hulk nearly died from it.




Well, the guy 'bitching' (still subjective) out would bring home the trophy, wouldn't he?


Healing from brain damage by a destroyed frontal lobe is one thing. Reverting back to banner (which WILL happen) once superman removes the part that gets him angry is something else altogether. And yes, i'm aware that savage hulk heals much faster than prof hulk.

I read hulk issues... but i don't read all of them.


ok, superman can be smart, but he would not know where the exact spot at would be to hit. and if superman does that, he will be in big time trouble, because he could just end up creating a mindless hulk. there are too many factors that fall in, and superman would know this. you don't make a decision to work on someone's brain outta nowhere, you have to think about it.

Even if hulk can survive in space, he's still at a major disadvantage on superman. He'll be a large almost inert object floating at superman's mercy. BTW, he can't talk in space. He's mouthing everything but no sound's coming out.



you say that older versions of the hulk shouldn't be accounted (like hte one that got KO'd so why are you bringing in older and weaker versions of superman in this? Darkseid is unfortunately a jobber now since he was so fucking cool but can any of those guys kick his ass anymore? seriously. Current supes is a world away from the weaker one you keep bringing up.

This is to every other time you bring them up.

Oh and darkseid (pre-jobber) is like a demi-cosmic or a cosmic god. Don't compare him to hulk. He'll walk all over the hulk.

talking in space has nothing to do with fighting, and hulk can maneuver in space, just not as good as superman. i also bring those up just like u brought up earlier for yourself, that superman can lose to someone he has way more powers than. he wasn't in the form he is now, but still had way more powers than grundy and lost. he had way more powers than doomsday and lost. etc etc. and darkseid wouldn't walk all over the hulk.

this is what thanos (who could kick darkseid's ass) thought of the hulk

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/553/cha74ua8ln.jpg

and being more resistant with a higher healing factor put together does mean heat vision won't be as lethat. cause the two work together. he healed from a skeletal frame in seconds, something Prof. Hulk would never be able to do.

.... How the hell is htat different from silver surfer beating superman by sucking out all his solar energy? Magneto potentially beating superman by controlling his bio-electric aura? This is supposed to be a no holds-barred straight for the win fight. Where the hell did this subjective code of honor between no holds-barred fighters come from? If Dr. Strange beats hulk by turning him into a frog or Silver surfer putting hulk into an adamantium box are those considered cop-outs?


Plus, lobotomy by superman = superman using his OWN power to DIRECTLY attack the hulk's PHYSICAL BODY (his brain.) cop out how?


well surfer wouldn't need to do that to beat superman, and actually i thought i called taking him to space and throwing him in the sun was a cop out. i could be wrong, but i thought i referred to that. and if hulk can come back from being turned to stone, then he'll come back from being a frog and an adamantium box. Dr. Strange is using his powers to transform hulk, Surfer uses his power to transform the hulk, i use my power to hit someone. now.......someone use their power to pull out a gun (other source), superman uses his power to throw someone in the sun (other source). and if i referred to lobotomy as cop out (i don't think i did, but i could've) then i was actually referring to the fact that yall swear superman is such a great fighter, but whenever someone brings up superman in a thread yall pick anyother conceivable way for superman to do something other than fighting. last time i check superman does fight when he's goin all out. something yall neglect to believe.


Savage hulk's regeneration might be faster, but again there's no indication that his regeneration will reach a level where supes' heat vision won't be lethal anymore. The way you write you give the impression that savage hulk will just shrug off heat vision where merged hulk nearly died from it.




Well, the guy 'bitching' (still subjective) out would bring home the trophy, wouldn't he?

do not confuse merge hulk with professor hulk.

here we go

Prof Hulk: held back his adrenaline flow and his anger at all times in fear that the Hulk persona would come back leading to a significantly lower healing factor than ALL the other hulks. he wouldn't have survived a lot of what all the hulk's survive.

Savaga Hulk: idiot, but one of the stronger and quicker healing ones.

Merged Hulk (current): level-headed, thinks in battle now, is the strongest and has the highest regeneration and durability of all hulks. well mindless was the strongest but that was cause his brain went into overdrive.

i would expect a superman fan to make that last statement. but as i normally say, he most likely wouldn't do that, even if it was no-holds barred. superman doesn't run away from a good fight, contrary to yall popular belief.

and when he doesn't, at the end of the day, banner would wonder what is this big trophy i have sitting in my room.

Bullet
02-09-2006, 03:52 PM
Im short on time but since it seems like your memory is very faulty or youre just in denial again:
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/8161/spiderspeed6uy.jpg


That scan just shows how slow Hulk really is, compared to Superman, Spiderman is not even in the same league when i comes to speed.

Again Superman wins, rather you like or not.:)

Superman moves so fast that his body can go intangible or invisible, Hulk hasn't fought anyone with that level of speed.

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/8890/supermangoininvisible4lw.th.jpg (http://img495.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermangoininvisible4lw.jpg)


Notice how the Superman isn't seen until he stops to talk to the alien.

Superman could vibrate his body in visible then fire Hulk's brain.

Or how bout Supes use an orbital smash to take Hulk into space.

Here's an example of orbital-smash. Notice the fire around re-entering Superman.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=469df.jpg

Bullet
02-09-2006, 03:56 PM
[QUOTE=unknowndanex]you put up a pick yourself of spiderman getting caught. like i said in the Goku/Superman thread, you don't pay attention to your own stuff. you really prove yourself wrong all the time.

Again you're still bitter about those threads, which is probaly why you're attacking me with such anger. But oh well!:) Superman's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>Spiderman's.



you know nothing on hulk and its apparent with everyone.

I know alot of about Hulk and I know that he won't beat Superman either.

i'm not gonna continue much longer, cause all you do is forget everything else in the thread and repeat points already dismissed. until u come with something new, i'll just respond if scorpio responds. he's the only one with some since in this thread at this point. and the sudden appearance of DrunkenYoshimaster.

your DC bias keeps you like this


More insults, this just shows how immature you really are, I won't respond to anything like this again.:)

Scorpio3.14
02-09-2006, 04:17 PM
and then do a thunderclap to kill that noise, cause that would affect him. It took out Hyperion and it'll at least hurt supes.

thunderclap would do the trick, enough with that same ol argument

are you just completely ignoreing the scan Bullet posted of Superman takeing a sonic blast that was equal to ten atomic bombs going off in your head and hardly being phased by it? Also superman >>>>>>>> the speed of sound.

its funny that the only thing superman fans can ever bring up, is superman using superspeed, something hulk is apparantly used to to say he'll win. u know what, hulk can sense his presence and his reflexes are top notch, hulk will smack the shit out of superman coming at him, how bout that. or probably catch him.

Its also funny that you keep ignoreing the fact that Superman is hundreds of thousands times faster then the speed Hulk is used to. Hulk's reflexes are top notch when compared to people like Spiderman, Quicksilver, Speed Demon, etc... Superman is on an entirely different level of speed, you say you understand that but you really dont.

and tell me how bout Doomsday, Grundy, and Lobo (first time they fought). was he so fucking weak then?

Yes, compared to how he is now he was.

unknowndanex
02-09-2006, 06:21 PM
I already said it once, i won't respond to pics of the same thing over and over again, and i can't be bitter about pics you put up that contradict what you say. you call me immature and then say the same thing i say as a counter point. you're so original.

Now to scorpio.........


are you just completely ignoreing the scan Bullet posted of Superman takeing a sonic blast that was equal to ten atomic bombs going off in your head and hardly being phased by it? Also superman >>>>>>>> the speed of sound.

um the thunderclap does way more than just affects your hearing, it is a concussive blast as well. i wasn't hinting at supes hearing i was hinting at the force of the thunderclap. which would send superman hurling.

Its also funny that you keep ignoreing the fact that Superman is hundreds of thousands times faster then the speed Hulk is used to. Hulk's reflexes are top notch when compared to people like Spiderman, Quicksilver, Speed Demon, etc... Superman is on an entirely different level of speed, you say you understand that but you really dont.

i said his reflexes are top notch in marvel. last time i checked, silver surfer, gladiator, hyperion, namor, etc. were in marvel as well. and his reflexes were good enough to fight hyperion and catch surfer off his surfboard. surfer on his board>>>>>>>>>>>>speed of sound.


Yes, compared to how he is now he was.

well out of those guys, Lobo does still pose a match for superman. their fights normally end in stalemates and he doesn't posess superspeed as well. he actually has super-strength, a healing factor, and enhanced senses. hmmmmmmmmmm sounds familiar, except hulk keeps increasing in those aspects.

i've said it earlier, hulk is catered for superman. hulk is the type of character that in superman's history he loses to, especially on the first try.

Viciousness
02-09-2006, 06:28 PM
That scan just shows how slow Hulk really is, compared to Superman, Spiderman is not even in the same league when i comes to speed.

No that scan just shows how in denial you really are for still refusing to admit Hulk can catch Spiderman after that one and the other one you posted. This is why I say things that are obvious to most people dont seem to get through to you. My point was that Hulk adapts to speed over time and you wanted to make it seem like he couldnt even adapt to spiderman's speed which wasnt the case. You act like you have some definitive prove he wont be able to adapt to Supermans speed when he's seemingly been able to adapt to just about everything thrown at him so far in combat.



Or how bout Supes use an orbital smash to take Hulk into space.

Here's an example of orbital-smash. Notice the fire around re-entering Superman.

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=469df.jpg

A great example of what I was talking about when I said DC fans love to post things their characters have rarely used if even more than once.Even if he does whip this trick out of his hat, it's just going to piss hulk off more . It doesnt even look like it killed the guy it was aimed at.

Scorpio3.14
02-09-2006, 06:55 PM
um the thunderclap does way more than just affects your hearing, it is a concussive blast as well. i wasn't hinting at supes hearing i was hinting at the force of the thunderclap. which would send superman hurling.

If its a concussive force it still wouldnt effect superman while he is intangiable. That and a shock wave usually moves at only speeds of Mach 2-4. Thats about the speed of a snail compared to superman :P

i said his reflexes are top notch in marvel. last time i checked, silver surfer, gladiator, hyperion, namor, etc. were in marvel as well. and his reflexes were good enough to fight hyperion and catch surfer off his surfboard. surfer on his board>>>>>>>>>>>>speed of sound.

Was Silver Surfer moving above the speed of sound when Hulk grabbed his board? Just because he was flying on his board dosnt mean he was moving that fast. Namor isnt that fast at all and when have Gladiator or Hyperion used superspeed against Hulk? Never that I know of.


well out of those guys, Lobo does still pose a match for superman. their fights normally end in stalemates and he doesn't posess superspeed as well. he actually has super-strength, a healing factor, and enhanced senses. hmmmmmmmmmm sounds familiar, except hulk keeps increasing in those aspects.

You know, I dont believe Lobo has faught Superman since OWAW. Superman is a lot stronger now. Also, dont forget that Lobo is immortal, adapts/evolves almost instantly, and has a healing factor that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk's.

Bullet
02-09-2006, 07:34 PM
No that scan just shows how in denial you really are for still refusing to admit Hulk can catch Spiderman after that one and the other one you posted. This is why I say things that are obvious to most people dont seem to get through to you.

I think the scan proves that Hulk will never be able to catch Supes even if he tries, you're the one in denial for posting something useless like this.

My point was that Hulk adapts to speed over time and you wanted to make it seem like he couldnt even adapt to spiderman's speed which wasnt the case.

Look above.

You act like you have some definitive prove he wont be able to adapt to Supermans speed when he's seemingly been able to adapt to just about everything thrown at him so far in combat.

He won't, and you havn't proven that he could.

A great example of what I was talking about when I said DC fans love to post things their characters have rarely used if even more than once.Even if he does whip this trick out of his hat, it's just going to piss hulk off more . It doesnt even look like it killed the guy it was aimed at.

More childish insults, with less debating skills!:)

Viciousness
02-09-2006, 08:31 PM
I think the scan proves that Hulk will never be able to catch Supes even if he tries, you're the one in denial for posting something useless like this.

How does that make me in denial. You specifically said Hulk cant catch spiderman after we had already posted that pic. And You were obviously wrong, and refused to admit it, maybe you want to look up denial.



He won't, and you havn't proven that he could.

I guess I should be used to your hypocritical logic by now. Always ask them to prove the opposite of what I cant prove eh bullethead?


More childish insults, with less debating skills!:)
A great one to talk about debating skills when yours consist of post 500 pictures of the same thing, refuse to acknowledge other arguments because they lack pictures, then talk down to the other person like their an idiot because I still refuse to accept their argument and they cant prove their character will win beyond every shadow of a doubt despite the fact that I cant really prove that either.

What I said before could barely be considered an insult, but now by calling me childish youre attempting to turn it into one. I was mainly describing the picture and its unimportance. But since youre determined to go on my character (ie trying to label me), I'm going on yours.

Honestly Id love to see you in an argument with your clone. It would go on forever and just turn into one big circle of deny every point the other you makes, post and repost a million pictures and call it an argument.

Bullet
02-09-2006, 10:20 PM
How does that make me in denial. You specifically said Hulk cant catch spiderman after we had already posted that pic. And You were obviously wrong, and refused to admit it, maybe you want to look up denial.

I said he has a hard time catching Spiderman, if Spiderman's speed is enough to give Hulk alot of trouble, Supes will have an eaiser time speedbiltzing.

I guess I should be used to your hypocritical logic by now. Always ask them to prove the opposite of what I cant prove eh bullethead?

Yup! No proof here.


A great one to talk about debating skills when yours consist of post 500 pictures of the same thing, refuse to acknowledge other arguments because they lack pictures, then talk down to the other person like their an idiot because I still refuse to accept their argument and they cant prove their character will win beyond every shadow of a doubt despite the fact that I cant really prove that either.

What I said before could barely be considered an insult, but now by calling me childish youre attempting to turn it into one. I was mainly describing the picture and its unimportance. But since youre determined to go on my character (ie trying to label me), I'm going on yours.

Honestly Id love to see you in an argument with your clone. It would go on forever and just turn into one big circle of deny every point the other you makes, post and repost a million pictures and call it an argument.

More childish insults, with less debating skills!:wink

unknowndanex
02-10-2006, 12:08 AM
If its a concussive force it still wouldnt effect superman while he is intangiable. That and a shock wave usually moves at only speeds of Mach 2-4. Thats about the speed of a snail compared to superman :P



Was Silver Surfer moving above the speed of sound when Hulk grabbed his board? Just because he was flying on his board dosnt mean he was moving that fast. Namor isnt that fast at all and when have Gladiator or Hyperion used superspeed against Hulk? Never that I know of.




You know, I dont believe Lobo has faught Superman since OWAW. Superman is a lot stronger now. Also, dont forget that Lobo is immortal, adapts/evolves almost instantly, and has a healing factor that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hulk's.


as for your first point, i referred to thunderclap as a way hulk can get out of the air if superman is taking him there. and with the intangible thing, superman is moving fast, but he will still be in the area. he be moving really fast in an area where the force will still hit him. you act like he knows all of hulk's moves or something. he can be beaten.

Namor isn't that fast?

shows namor's speed and the fact that he had to get to water, to really get an advantage on the hulk. as i see, the word milliseconds is being used. also shows him using speed on the hulk and still getting caught and thrown.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8922/namorspeedfeat27uj.gif

um, lobo's healing factor is not greater than the hulk. lobo's healing factor was actually based on wolverine, the whole character of lobo besides some of his powers were based on wolverine. hulk's healing factor >>>>>>>>>>> lobo, if lobo was fried to skeletal he would die for awhile and come back but he wouldn't heal like the hulk. honestly i don't know if they fought after OWAW or not.

but, Hulk is catered for Superman like i said. and he should win the first fight.

Scorpio3.14
02-10-2006, 12:22 AM
as for your first point, i referred to thunderclap as a way hulk can get out of the air if superman is taking him there. and with the intangible thing, superman is moving fast, but he will still be in the area. he be moving really fast in an area where the force will still hit him. you act like he knows all of hulk's moves or something. he can be beaten.

I dont think you understand what intangible means. He cant be touched, he phases through anything that would hit him, this includes a shockwave from a thunderclap.

Namor isn't that fast?

shows namor's speed and the fact that he had to get to water, to really get an advantage on the hulk. as i see, the word milliseconds is being used. also shows him using speed on the hulk and still getting caught and thrown.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/8922/namorspeedfeat27uj.gif

Yes, relative to Superman Namor isnt that fast at all. The nanosecond thing was being used by whoever made the caption to the picture. It was not in the actual comic and didnt come from the auther of the comic, it was fan made. Even the mach 20 thing was pulled out of no where.

um, lobo's healing factor is not greater than the hulk. lobo's healing factor was actually based on wolverine, the whole character of lobo besides some of his powers were based on wolverine. hulk's healing factor >>>>>>>>>>> lobo, if lobo was fried to skeletal he would die for awhile and come back but he wouldn't heal like the hulk. honestly i don't know if they fought after OWAW or not.

Do you even know about Lobo??? First, he is immortal. He can revive/heal from DEATH! Second, from every drop of blood shed Lobo creates a new body. I would say thats just a tiny bit better then Hulks healing factor lol That usually isnt even an issue though since Lobo is pretty much invulnerable, way more so then the Hulk.

Tousen
02-10-2006, 12:32 AM
Lol Lobo is badass. Dont compare him to the hulk. All the clones kill each other until one lobos left as well. Shits funny as hell.

unknowndanex
02-10-2006, 12:53 AM
Hulk is much better than Lobo.

Tousen
02-10-2006, 12:57 AM
Hulk is much better than Lobo.


Sure he is. You must be downing him because of that dam crossover.

unknowndanex
02-10-2006, 01:03 AM
nope, i could've sworn i stated above that i didn't think Wolverine should've beaten Lobo in the crossover. i don't refer to the crossover that was voted on by fans, if i did, i wouldn't be defending the hulk right now would i?

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